One of the things that helps with getting the tongue down is the Charm Hold for sucking. I am not a suck training expert. Maybe someone who is will be able to add more. Also I would try nursing positions where the baby is face down with mom lying on her back (prone positions). You can try this lateral, floating, over the shoulder etc. Great descriptions and nice photos of all of these positions in Lactation Forms: A Guide to Lactation Consultant Charting by Marmet and Shell. Has the baby been properly checked for tongue-tie? Hope this helps. Sarah Sarah Friend Barnett LLLL, IBCLC Bronx (New York City), NY - [log in to unmask] " You are not obliged to finish the task, neither are you free to neglect it." R. Tarfon *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html