Esther, you crack me up! And I know *exactly* what you're describing, because it sounds so very much like the "classes" I used to do postpartum! People *loved* the classes, and the other nurses refused to do them because "we can't do it like Cathy does", and women said they found them helpful, and *fathers* actually seemed to find them very reassuring and helpful, and everyone said I was "so good" at doing it. I think I started to believe my own press. But now, several years later, I have to say that I wouldn't do the classes the same way any more, if at all. With the early discharges we have now, I don't think that the group classes are the most effective way to help new moms "take in". I used to try to get them to come on the third pp day, before discharge, so they were farther along in the taking in-taking hold sequence, but still... What works? I don't have a definitive answer, of course. I do think that one-to-one may be better, and that in their own home is probably better than in hospital, and that involving the partner or the grandma or whoever will be helping is probably essential. I do all my LC visits at the mom's house, because I just think that it's way easier for them, better for the babies, and probably more effective. But who knows - Diane W. and I have had clients go back & forth between us, and we are *very* consistent in what we say, and they appear to have never heard the information before. But to pay for this kind of service, in the "real world", for everyone who needs it? Fat chance! Cathy Bargar RN IBCLC Ithaca NY *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html