Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:06:37 EDT
From: Gonneke van Veldhuizen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: bottles
> Anyway, I apologize if I put words into Dr. Karp's mouth (or
messages).
But, isn't this the same pitfall in written books? If you and others on
lactnet read that message in dr. Karp's book, will other readers (read:
parents) not read that message in it?
Warmly greeting,
Gonneke
Dear Gonneke,
I hope what parents infer from my book is that by using the approach I
recommend they can soothe their baby easily and quickly. Tha colic and
crying is not caused by tummy pain, but by a need for a "4th trimester"
of holding, cuddling, carrying and suckling!!
My book and video teach calming skills not taught anywhere else. And,
these skills gives mothers, and fathers, grandparents, etc, a big boost
of confidence! And, remember 15-20% of babies cry/fuss for more than 3
hours a day (breast or bottle fed) and that is exhausting, depressing,
leads to marital problems, and (as we all know only too well) frequently
leads to a loss of confidence in one's breast milk and leads to
difficult food elimination diets, stress (which can certainly dectease
lactogenesis) and too often leads to a woman giving up on nursing
completely.
Best wishes,
Harvey
-----Original Message-----
From: Lactation Information and Discussion
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Automatic digest
processor
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:07 AM
To: Recipients of LACTNET digests
Subject: LACTNET Digest - 25 Oct 2002 to 26 Oct 2002 - Special issue
(#2002-1394)
There are 7 messages totalling 380 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Speakers
2. People magazine
3. Dr. Karp/Tea for Two/Linking One's Famous Web Site to Formula/I
didn't
mean to rant, but it happened
4. Should a Post THAT Long Need an Addendum? Sorry, I forgot
something-JNGMD
IBCLC
5. Should a Post THAT Long Need an Addendum? Sorry, I forgot
something-JNGMD IBCLC
6. bottles predisposing to premature weaning
7. bottles
Lactnet Archives are at:
LACTNET Archives http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html
To Manage your Subscription, ie go nomail, index, etc, go to:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lactnet.html
Thanks- Kathleen Bruce, Kathy Koch, Rachel Myr,
Melissa Vickers, Karen Zeretzke, LACTNET Facilitators
Questions to [log in to unmask]
***********************************************
To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail
To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest)
To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet
All commands go to [log in to unmask]
The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned
LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM)
mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to:
http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:25:54 -0700
From: lynda <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Speakers
Good Friday, Everyone!
The Breastfeeding Task Force of Nevada just hostess-ed a roomful of
eager
healthcare professionals to the wonders of Karin Cadwell. She is
inspirational !! (If you haven't already, have her out to your area
sometime soon!)
Thank you, Karin, for squeezing us in before your speaking engagement
for
the WHO in Copenhagen. We are proudly represented.
Comfy traveling,
Lynda Cook Sawyer
Las Vegas NV
***********************************************
To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail
To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest)
To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet
All commands go to [log in to unmask]
The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned
LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM)
mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to:
http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:38:30 EDT
From: Annie Versteeg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: People magazine
Long time no post.... I have been busy with babies and moms and dads. I
was
taking a much needed break today, indulging in the most recent issue of
People magazine, reading an article about 'Childhood Obesity', and right
there, in the box titled, "What Parents Can Do Now" the very first
thing
listed is... drum roll please.... BREASTFEED!!! It says, and I quote,
"Breastfeed. Some studies indicate that nursed infants are less likely
to
become overweight" OK, it is not perfect, but we have to see this as a
win!!
It is listed FIRST. I jumped up and turned my computer back on to post
this....
Annie VerSteeg IBCLC
Mom to Willie; 12 and Kayli; 10
Beach Area Breastfeeding
[log in to unmask]
breastfeeding... It's for life
***********************************************
To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail
To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest)
To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet
All commands go to [log in to unmask]
The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned
LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM)
mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to:
http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:08:09 EDT
From: Jay Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Dr. Karp/Tea for Two/Linking One's Famous Web Site to Formula/I
didn't mean to rant, but it happened
I have also known Harvey Karp for 25 years and I know the kind of doctor
he is. He's as good as they get
Harvey's such a strong supporter of breastfeeding, baby cuddling and
more
that differences of opinion are easily overlooked by me. Well, maybe
not
always easily . . . but a challenging discussion isn't so bad, either.
I believe in NO solids during the first YEAR of life whenever possible.
The quasi-science about iron deficiency and so on has no firm science
upon which to base itself.
I think growth charts are worth the paper they're written on. A good
pediatrician or a good lactation consultant guides parents through
weight
gain which deviates from charts.
I don't like bottles routinely at two weeks of age because I so often
see
milk supply drop and breastfeeding fail as a result. I agree that
bottle of tea at two weeks of age are inadvisable but I'm not sure that
exactly what Harvey meant. (Did you?)
I don't like swaddling much at all. I think it keeps babies too quiet.
Aha! Now I remember my main disagreement: I like babies to be bouncy,
active, arms flying, and . . . awake many times at night. I think
it's
safer and helps babies breastfeed better.
Again, people looking for more sleep or "normal" sleep should probably
reconsider becoming parents quite yet.
Jay Gordon
To my good friend Jay,
Lacnetters don't know of our very close working relationship. Thank you
for letting them know that I share your committed and passionate love of
children and their parents (even though we sometimes differ on the fine
points of certain issues)! I have certainly learned much from you over
the years...and thank you for that.
That having been said, let me offer a couple of points for you (and
everyone else to consider):
1) Regarding solids at 6 months - I too have seen many babies solely
breastfed until 9-12 months without any sign of iron deficiency.
However, there are several shreds of evidence that argue against your
"belief" that parents should wait till after 12 months to give solids:
a) by 6-9 months the intestinal enzymes are maturing showing their
readiness to digest other foods
b) after 6 months babies are VERY interested in the social and
participatory experience of eating
c) in most aboriginal cultures, solids are intoroduced by 4-8 months
d) some babies DO suffer from iron deficiency by 9 months of age and
there is good evidence (not quasi science) that those children may
suffer permanent intellectual impairment as a result of this totally
preventible nutritional deficiency
2) Regarding tea - (I am sure you meant simethicone drops not silicone
drops) as I said in my last post to Lacnet "when mother's in my practice
do give bottles (and certainly many do not...informed consent) I always
avoid giving formula if I can...the other options are pumped breast milk
or water/herbal tea (usually peppermint or chamomile)."
3) Regarding growth charts - I fully agree that they are often
misleading and it is a well trained pediatricians job to reassure
parents about changes which deviate from the norm as described on the
charts, but which are non-pathological. That being said, they can be
very useful in reassuring a mother who feels that she is not producing
enough milk that her baby is thriving and as an additional piece of
evidence to raise an early warning flag about some subclinical medical
problem.
4) Regarding swaddling - Let's just differ on that point for now...and
feel free to refer to me all your families who deeply love their babies
and but are exhausted and sleep deprived and those whose babies
persistently cry.
Talk to you soon,
Harvey
***********************************************
To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail
To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest)
To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet
All commands go to [log in to unmask]
The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned
LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM)
mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to:
http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html
|
