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Hi Marrianne,

So sorry! I should clarify by saying that current certifications do  
not expire or suspend between the exam and when the results are  
received; they expire in late October. So, if one is recertifying or  
even fails the exam to recertify, their credentials are still valid  
through the end of the October following the exam. Does that make more  
sense?

Thank you all for rallying behind me on this. I am not an ILCA member  
(I was waiting to join after I sar for the exam.) I would certainly  
look into joining if it could help me cut through some of this red tape.

Thanks again,
Amy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Marianne Vanderveen-Kolkena <[log in to unmask] 
 > wrote:

> My... I agree with Chayn on this one.
> This is really just a matter of red tape; it has no credibility  
> whatsoever.
> That would mean that all of us who have to recertify could not work  
> between taking the exam and receiving the results! What a nonsense!
> Can't we do something about that through here, gathering signatures  
> and stating the 'unreasonability' of this...?
> All consultations between July and October of recertification  
> candidates would be unethical following this reasoning.
> We would have to make sure that nowhere our names would be mentioned  
> with the credentials behind it.
> We could not give trainings and presentations, because we would have  
> become 'incapable' of practicing as an expert.
> If not, then we have unequal treatment of persons in the same  
> situation, a treatment willingly and clearly harming Amy's best  
> interests (and the clients she could serve were she to proceed  
> normally).
> Where to file a complaint about this...? Who gets to supervise IBLCE- 
> decisions...?
> Are you an ILCA-member, Amy? Could ILCA help you with this?
>
> Bye,
>
> Marianne Vanderveen IBCLC, the Netherlands (and really glad she  
> decided to get her credentials a few years ago (after having been a  
> volunteer bf counsellor for many years), when there was already some  
> rumour about requirements changing in the not so far away future...)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy West" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [LACTNET] 2012 IBCLC requirements/question if I can ask
>
>
>> Thanks, Chayn, for the kind words.  It's pretty frustrating.
>>
>> The issue with that is that my mentor is recertifying for the first  
>> time
>> this year (head mentors have to be recertified at least once under  
>> Pathway
>> 3).  I agree that I should be able to begin logging hours after she  
>> sits for
>> the exam in July.  Of course, any hours I put in would be invalid  
>> if she
>> didn't pass, but I see no reason to wait until she has her results  
>> in-hand,
>> if I'm comfortable with the risk that she may not pass and my hours  
>> would be
>> invalid.  Obviously, her experience or ability to teach me isn't  
>> going to be
>> significantly different between July and October, which is the really
>> frustrating part.  It's just red tape. Those few months are the  
>> difference
>> between me sitting for the exam, and not.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:07 AM, nandan fogelman <[log in to unmask] 
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> Amy wrote:
>>> I'd planned to sit for the exam in 2011; because of red tape with  
>>> Pathway
>>> Three, that's no longer an option.  (The IBCLC mentoring me is  
>>> recertifying
>>> in July; IBLCE won't allow me to log any hours prior to when she  
>>> gets her
>>> exam results in late October, which makes it impossible to get the  
>>> hours
>>> done in time. Had they allowed me to log hours beginning after the  
>>> July
>>> exam, I could have completed the hours. Of course, the hours would  
>>> have
>>> only
>>> been valid if she received a passing score, but they weren't  
>>> willing to
>>> work
>>> with me on that.)
>>>
>>> I don't understand that reasoning.  I have recertified by exam once.
>>> During
>>> the time that I took the exam and the time that I received my  
>>> grade, I was
>>> still an IBCLC, right?  I did not have to stop using the IBCLC  
>>> letters
>>> after
>>> my name until receiving a passing grade - but in Amy's case the  
>>> IBLCE seems
>>> to be suspending her mentors credentials between July and October.
>>> Something seems very wrong here.  Anyone understand this?
>>> My heart goes out to you Amy,
>>>
>>> Chayn Fogelman IBCLC in Israel who was almost didn't get to take  
>>> the exam
>>> the first time but fortunately got through the red tape.
>>>
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