>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:39:06 -0800
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>Coach Smith - I really look forward to meeting you one day .... I was so
excited to find your web site and reinforce what I have been trying to say
for years!!
>Not only do I agree 100% with what you are saying but would add to that
..... there are many things we do at birth to screw up breastfeeding.
Suctioning is one of them and if the baby is born in the way it is intended
we would remove the need for suctioning.  When the baby passes through the
birth canal, the chest is compressed and fluids are squeezed out and the
lungs are being stimulated - when birth continues the way it is meant to...
when the head is born and the mother reaches down and brings up her baby to
her over an intact perineum, there is a fetal heimlich manoeuver that occurs
and any excess fluids or mucous in the baby's mouth are naturally expelled.
Most babys born today - at least in our area - are suctioned on the perineum
and then brought straight out onto a flat service (which is very painful and
inappropriate for an infants spine and back that has been in a fetal
position all that time ...) suctioned again and then taken over to the baby
barbeque and wiped and wrapped and often sucked again.  Not only is this
major negative imprinting for the baby, but by separating and drying, wiping
and wrapping the baby, the mother has been robbed of that one time only
unique smell of birth and of baby that trigger a chemical reaction in her
brain that is all part of the bonding and natural progression to the breast
for the baby.  When the baby makes his own way to the breast part of what
gets him there is the combination of birth fluid scents that he can identify
- as well as what is coming from the montgomery tubercles and the breasts
that are a couple of degrees warmer than the rest of the body .....
>Oh if I could only fix one thing in the birthing community ..... leave the
process alone - those that are with women - leave your hands in your pockets
and quit interfering with something that is perfect that only serves to make
it so much less - way much less than perfect.
>Passionate about keeping birth normal and reducing LC's work load...
>Kathie Lindstrom
>Mother of 5, CBE, Doula, Doula Trainer, retired LLLL, LC/Bfdg Counsellor
>from sunny Abbotsford, BC
>
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>>>>> Posting number 35226, dated 31 Dec 1998 09:58:41
>>Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:58:41 -0500
>>Reply-To:     Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sender:       Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>From:         "Linda J. Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject:      Re: nasal aspirators
>>Comments: To: David Green <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Coach Smith here again, disagreeing with Andrew.
>>
>>Suctioning of vomitus, mucus, or whatever CAN  and does cause breastfeeding
>>problems because ANY artificial oral experience, especially a noxious
>>stimulus like suctioning, that occurs prior to the first breastfeed can
>>disrupt normal suck responses and easily causes infant oral aversion.
>>Righard and Widstrom have reported on this repeatedly.  Here's what happens
>>after suctioning:
>>
>>Scene 1: Baby won't open wide (or at all), mom thinks baby is rejecting her,
>>quits BF. She can force-feed a bottle, but not a breast.
>>
>>Scene 2A: Baby won't open wide, latches onto the nipple tip, which causes
>>poor milk transfer and nipple damage, result baby stays hungry (is not
>>satisfied with BF), mom gets engorged which makes all of the above worse,
>>quits.
>>
>>Scene 2B : Baby will open but thrusts his tongue forward to guard his airway
>>(Righard; Widstrom). This presses the nipple tip against the hard palate
>>where it rubs on the rugae. Result is nipple damage, poor milk transfer,
>>hungry baby, engorged breast, and mom quits.
>>
>>I wish I had a dollar for every baby like these that I've worked with - I'd
>>be a driving a brand-new teal blue Porsche convertible instead of a 1991
>>Corolla station wagon with 145,000 miles on it! Correcting oral aversion
>>and/or tongue thrust is NOT easy nor quick, and is often very frustrating
>>for all concerned. It's even harder if mom quits BF - then the inappropriate
>>oral patterns get more deeply ingrained with longer-term sequelae such as
>>swallowing problems and speech disorders.
>>
>>Scene 3: What kind of psychic trauma does this cause the baby? I heard one
>>person call it "oral rape." Stress/Trauma research and new knowledge of
>>infant awareness/cognition should give us plenty of reason to re-think the
>>necessity and possible consequences of suctioning except in the most
>>life-threatening situations. Check out this site
>>http://birthpsychology.com/apppah/index.html for some info on this concept.
>>
>>Linda J. Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC
>>Bright Future Lactation Resource Centre
>>Dayton, OH USA
>>http://www.bflrc.com
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>>>>> Posting number 35229, dated 31 Dec 1998 10:18:54
>>Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:18:54 -0500
>>Reply-To:     Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sender:       Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>From:         newman <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject:      estrogen patch
>>Comments: To: [log in to unmask]
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>>Don't believe everything you read. The estrogens will not cause the baby
>>problems. But they may decrease the milk supply.
>>
>>Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC
>>
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>
>I don't beleive everything I read but I do trust my instinct. Something
tells my right brain that there is a potential for more problems than we
know when you start messing with the hormones.  Even with the BC pill being
introduced before 6 weeks - we often see decrease in milk supply - if it has
even come in before they are started on the pill - or insufficient milk
supply.  Take them off the pill and milk supply is up.
>The estrogens will not cause the baby problems???  If there is not adequate
milk supply - the baby has a problem.
>Kathie Lindstrom
>(as above)
>
>
>>How about the time-honored (until recently) of using breastmilk drops for
>>nasal congestion?
>>
>>My third baby was very rattly and Mucousy at birth. We didn't suction, doc
>>just said nurse, nurse, nurse and the breastmilk will clear it up and it sure
>>did. I am sure there is a place for bulb syringes but I think we may use them
>>a bit too much and in place of gentler approaches, IMHO.
>>
>>Alison K. Hazelbaker
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>
>I am glad you shared this account as well. The baby's need to nurse this
mucous through as it also helps coat and protect the gut and enables stools
to be passed more quickly and efficiently.  We are wonderfully made and all
that is intended to happen at birth is for a good reason.
>Kathie Lindstrom
>(as above)
>
>>>>> Posting number 35234, dated 31 Dec 1998 11:39:19
>>Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:39:19 -0500
>>Reply-To:     Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sender:       Lactation Information and Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>>From:         Cindy Curtis <[log in to unmask]>
>>Organization: Benefits of Breastfeeding
>>Subject:      Re: nasal aspirators
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>>Last week we had a baby that was so vigorously suctioned by the ped that
>>he had a bruised tongue and abrasions of the nares..........  ;-(((  The
>>baby wouldnt latch, no wonder!  Mom switched to bottle feeding...... Sad
>>to say
>>
>>Cindy
>>
>>--
>>Cindy Curtis,RN,IBCLC
>>Virginia,USA
>>mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>Benefits of Breastfeeding Page  http://www.erols.com/cindyrn
>
>This is truly assault and battery and someone should let the poor mother
know why.  So often mothers blame themselves when breastfeeding fails when
in fact it is sabotaged by these barbaric practices!
>Kathie Lindstrom
>(as above)
>
>
Kathie