I think the issue RE: Simplisse is that the company is claiming to be WHO
compliant and independent from Handi-Craft, with mere "shared services,"
like accounting.  The issue is that the spokesperson *seems* to be very
straightforward, but further investigation by Elita put his statements in a
different light.  Based on the research Elita presented, it seems that
nearly ALL of the functions of these companies are shared, including many
employees working for both...almost as though they are one.

When the parent company isn't WHO compliant, it's a tough sell to say that
they can run a subsidiary or "share services" with one that is (and in this
case, they appear to be *very* interwoven).

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Karen Gromada <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Can't speak to the first comment if not reference is cited, although the
> word "proven" (rather than "supports") in conjunction with "scientific
> studies always makes me wary. But here's some info in ref to the Dr. Brown
> packaging "claim":
>
> http://www.internationalbreastfeedingjournal.com/content/3/1/19
>
> http://www.nutrientstudy.com/pressrelease.htm (also review Q&A and contact
> vis-a-vis Simplesse spokesperson noted in Elita's Blacktating blogs on this
> topic)
> I don't care for the Dr. Brown marketing on their packaging or their web
> site, but can say the Dr. Brown level 1 newborn (standard and wide-neck)
> system has a flow rate that tested (via breast pump extraction) in a range
> that appears to be more compatible with can wave-like tongue movements
> during use and parents' feedback tends to reinforce those testing results
> re: more likely to be associated with airway comfortable and less to result
> in infant stress cues associated oral "threat" to airway due to too fast
> flow (which occur with most of the allegedly "slow flow" nipples/bottle
> systems).
>
> Simplesse appears to be related to Dr. Brown's parent Handi-Craft - as does
> nutrientstudy.com - but it could also be related but separate companies -
> and in rereading Mr. Richardson's post, he seems fairly straightforward
> about it. My guess would be that to keep Simplesse and the products it
> sells
> Code-compliant and separate from the noncompliant one (for its marketing of
> feeding bottle/teat system - NOT AIM), a different company with different
> was formed. The "ethics" of such are not always clear cut... If they were,
> we wouldn't need ethics committees or boards to review and opine on all
> kinds of situations.
>
> I've missed out on receiving a Simplesse (I'll live without it), so I can't
> speak to its effectiveness, but I get the sense it is not supposed to
> "work"
> the same way as other pumps. If so, it would feel different. There's a
> brief
> demo vid and additional info:
> http://www.simplisse.com/manual-breastfeeding-companion/
>
> Re: pump effectiveness - I for one am getting tired of MOST/ALL the
> companies with breast pumps who expect us all to promote their products
> without giving us quantitative data re: pump effectiveness (for 1st time BF
> vs. subsequent; different situations; etc) on some/all of their pumps.
>  Supposed to be a moms' site, I find the info helpful at
> http://www.breastpumpcomparisons.com/
>
> I'd think there are a number of AWHONN members on Lactnet. I'm one and have
> been for many years, although I've never been super involved at the org
> level. Formula companies are definitely represented at exhibits and I
> believe help sponsor the conference. (It has been several years since I
> attended a conference.) My proposal to speak was accepted for this year's
> conference (June 15). Ironically, I'm speaking about bottle-feeding with a
> one-hour session entitled Drink or Drown: The Case for Evidence-based
> Bottle-feeding.
>
> Karen G
>
>
> > Date:    Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:15:12 -0700
> > From:    "Jaye Simpson, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Another good one...
> >
> > So we have the comment from one that says:
> >
> > "Scientific breasfeeding studies have proven that pain during lactation
> or
> > milk expression can actually reduce the flow and nurtitional quality of
> > breastmilk. Stress from pain or discomfort releases hormones that can
> > inhibit milk flow as well as decrease the breastmilk's natural
> > infection-fighting nutrients-nutrients that are vital to baby's health.
> > Simply put, more comfortable breastmilk expression during lactation can
> > promote good breast health and quality breastmilk for the baby."
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > And there is this from Dr Brown that I saw first hand on one of their
> > packages when I saw a couple with premie twins - we all LAUGHED - like
> > seriously??  How can this be true?  Unless of course we are all just
> > stupid.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > A first-of-its-kind university study
> > to measure nutrient levels in breastmilk and formula during a typical
> > 20-minute feeding determined that Dr. Brown's fully vented bottles help
> > maintain levels of important nutrients like vitamins C, A & E.
> >
> >
> > *       Helps maintain vitamins C, A & E:
> > Patented internal vent system is proven to minimize oxidation of
> breastmilk
> > and formula,
> > to help maintain essential nutrients.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date:    Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:32:03 -0400
> > From:    Jake Marcus <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Simplesse pump - concerns?
> >
> > Blacktating has an on-going series now on Simplesse and the very
> suspicio=
> > us information concerning corporate affiliation:
> http://www.blacktating.c=
> > om/2010/04/simplisse-update-are-simplisse-handi.html
> >
> >
> ate:    Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:32:56 -0400
> From:    Dawn Kersula <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: AWHONN Call for speakers
>
>
> You will notice that AWHONN does not mention lactation consultants as
> being included in their members! I have no idea if they get formula company
> $$ for this conference but some of us should surely be speaking there!!!
> This is from the Monday Morning Memo that comes from the Healthy Mothers,
> Healthy Babies coalition each week.
> Dawn Kersula in Vermont
>
> 4) CALL FOR SPEAKERS: 2011 AWHONN CONVENTION The Association of Women's
> Health, Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses (AWHONN) seeks volunteer presenters
> for the Annual Convention to be held June 25-29, 2011 in Denver, Colorado.
> Do you have something to say or share about the care of women and newborns?
> Now=92s your chance! Applications are due August 23, 2010...
> --
>
>
> Karen Gromada
> www.karengromada.com/
>
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