FROM: Sturgess, Frances Coulter
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SUBJECT: LACTNET Lisa JOnes - 12 Dec 1996
DATE: 12-13-96 19:33 EST
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RE mothering without breastfeeding
YES!!! I don't understand this distancing either (note attached)--and when
someone says "Dad wants tofeed the baby" I am tempted to respond "and will he
mix the artificaial milk, and clean the bottles, and do his laundry when the
baby spits the stuff up and do the diapering too?" all that goes with it...I
suppose the "freedom" stuff has partly to do with the sheer NUMBERS of
unplanned pregnancies--at one point, over 80% of ALL women admitted the baby
was unplanned--not unwanted, but unplanned...Don't know for a fact and people
will probably argue with me but i cant help but feel most brf moms feel closer
sooner to their infants than those that "must" artif feed--if only becauseof
hormones --would have loved to experince that myself...
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:30:38 -0500
From: Lisa Jones <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: mothering without breastfeeding
. But it is not *what* she feeds her
baby that boggles my mind, but *how*. One can bottlefeed attachment-style,
after all, but I simply never see this. What I see is propping bottles,
babies in carseat/stroller with mom giving bottle distractedly, precious
little holding of baby at all. The happiest day in the life of these moms is
the day when the baby can hold his or her own bottle. What is the deal????
Breastfeeding or not, I want to HOLD my babies! As for moms who want
*others* to be able to feed their babies, does anyone else actually do it day
in and day out? does dad do middle of the night feed? does MIL take baby in
the wee hours to give bottle? Or is it *usually* still the mom who feeds the
baby?? My guess is that it is still mom, so she rejected breastfeeding as
too "constricting" for no real benefit to either her or the baby.
Sign me frustrated in south Florida,
Lisa Jones
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:32:41 -0500
From: Lisa Jones <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Why I breastfed (feed)
I had to think about this a little bit because I don't recall ever making the
*decision* to breastfeed.
My mother breastfed all four of us for varying lengths of time, I was the
longest nursed (9 months). My father was in the military, this was in the
early 1960's, and mom has told me that the military doctors were all young
and pretty progressive, encouraging "natural" childbirth and thus the greater
potential to breastfeed. My mom even read Grantly-Read then! Also, we were
stationed both overseas (Okinawa) and far north US (Limestone, Maine) where
the supply of foodstuffs was limited.
My MIL who had babies also in the early 1960's had an old codger for a
doctor and was knocked unconscious for all three of her deliveries. Baby was
atleast 24 hours hold before she got to see it never mind HOLD it, and there
was no encouragement to breastfeed.
Partly, my decision to breastfeed stemmed from the fact that I knew that I
wanted to stay at home to care for my children and, well, my breasts were
going to stay at home with me so why not use them? I also liked to prove the
point that small breasted women can successfully nourish their young :)
BTW, my obstetrician NEVER asked me how I intended to feed my baby.
Lisa Jones
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:34:50 -0500
From: Lisa Jones <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: for Dr. Jack
Dear Dr. Newman,
I missed it if you posted previously, but exactly what kind of Dr. are
you???
I must say, I wouldn't care if you were a podiatrist, but could you please
move here to sunny South Florida and be my Doctor?? :) I like your style!
Fondly, Lisa Jones
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:34:59 -0800
From: Kimberly Elms <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Why I chose to breastfeed
I was a bottle baby and never saw any one breastfeed. My mother died of
breast cancer when I was 10, so I always had an assumption that my
breasts would be "inadequate." When I got pregnant, I read some
material about breastfeeding and it's wonders and woes, but I didn't
make a firm decision. As a matter of fact, when I went into the
hospital the labor nurse asked if I planned to bottle or breastfeed, and
even then I didn't know!
I had a terrible birth experience--not what I was wanting *at all*,
complete with pit, demerol, *and* an epidural (which worked wonderfully
on my right leg from the knee down). When the nurse handed me my son I
just felt compelled to put him to breast. He nursed fairly well in the
hospital but by day three, he was still sleepy, my nipples were
deteriorating rapidly due to poor latch, etc. If only I knew then what
I know now :(
I was at wits end--this close to throwing in the towel. I remembered
hearing about a lactation consultant in my birth class and decided to
call. After lots of questions and lots of coaching we finally got the
hang of it. My (and my husband's) entire view of parenting changed that
day. I can honestly say that my bond with my son and my parenting style
is directly attributed to Linda Pohl, IBCLC, Phoenix, Arizona. To her I
can never express enough gratitude -- she gave me the ticket to a
fantastic experience!
-- Kim
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Kimberly Elms
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Arizona State University
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:19:32 -0700
From: Tami Karnes <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: contem ped/herbals
I would be interested in reading these articles, where would I go about
getting a copy of these publications or just the articles? Does anyone have
contact info. for the magazines?
Thank you in advance.
> I wanted to share two recent articles...
>
> there is a letter in bf review on the use of herbals that is
>excellent! - a must read for all interested in the use of herbals...
>
> contemp ped. has abn article on adviusing bd mothers when they
>become ill.. there are some glaring errors unfortunately... table on pge. 44
>lists bf interuped when.. the listing do not agreee with what is written in
>the text and i think that too many will read the table and not the text...
>the text states that tetracycline is contraindicated.. it has been aap
>approved since 94. also hep c is listed as a contraindication...
>
> those of you in hospital may want to nab this artiicle and
correct
>the errors before they come back to haunt....
>
> Patricia
Wishing you health and wellness!
Tami Karnes,
Certified Herbalist One With Nature
Reiki Practitioner P.O. Box 1724
Sedona, AZ Sedona, AZ 86339-1724
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:58:41 -0800
From: Athan and Nancy Kramer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NPR Transcripts
NPR should announce at the beginning of their program, "If you'd like a
transcript of this broadcast, well, then, you'd better start writing!"
Just trying for a smiley today,
Nancy Kramer
Port Angeles, WA
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:48:56 PST
From: Pearl Shifer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: origin of commercial baby milks?/WIC classes
Does anyone out there know when the pharmaceuticals began marketing
infant formula?
I remember my parents making home made formula from evaporated milk and
dextrose, sterilizing the bottles in that huge bottle sterilizer back in
1958 when my brother was born. When my sister was born in 1963, we had to
mix up Nutramigen for her bec. she didn't tolerate whatever else there
was.
So, when did Similac etc. come on the scene?
I also remember my mother pumping her milk in 1958 when she came home
from the hospital, she used the original "bicycle horn" pump that didn't
have a storage bottle attached! Those suckers were strictly for relieving
engorgement and the milk was dumped! No one would have thought of her
actually BREASTFEEDING. This was in Cleveland Ohio. I was born there 9
years earlier and also wasn't breastfed. My brother born in 1948 in
Munich was breastfed for 8 months....
Why did I choose to breastfeed? Me, the girl who asked her sister who was
breastfeeding if she felt like a cow!!!Yes, I actually said that!! But I
saw that sister's mothering style was so much better than those others
who did NOT breastfeed. I also feel that breastfeeding is an entire
mothering style, not simply a feeding method.
When I teach WIC prenatal classes, I don't teach formula feeding, I tell
the moms I know nothing about it, they can speak to the nutritionists
about it individually. On Thanksgiving I happened to catch a PBS program
about polar bear cubs that had been abandoned by their mother, and
adopted by the Denver zoo. The zookkeepers spent lots of time with these
twins, and they had a terrible time coming up with a suitable "formula".
I used that as an analogy, each mammal's specific milk, etc. But my
favorite part of the analogy is talking about how the mother bear goes
into the cave to give birth and cuddles with the baby til spring when
its time to come out! We need to adopt the "cave mentality!" I tell them
that if they aren't going to breastfeed, they still need to hold their
babies when they bottlefeed....
Pearl Shifer, IBCLC
P.S. Speaking of Cleveland, does anyone know if children born there in
1949 were immunized against pertussis?
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:35:27 -0500
ate: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:45:15 -0800
From: Moshe Shulman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Why I chose to Breastfeed
>Subject: Why I chose to Breastfeed
This subject has aroused me out of lurkdom. I remember when my mother gave
birth to my youngest brother in 1967, when I was almost 8, and she gave
bottles. She wore nursing pads. Iasked her what they were for, and she said
that they were to catch dripping milk. I innocently asked why she doesn't
just
feed that milk to the baby. Answer - because women today don't have milk.
Hmmm, how strange; all this extra milk wasn't enough. Also, all the work
involved with abm feeding was overwhelming.
I never saw anybody breastfeeding until I was 18, and, as might be expected
of
someone programmed by this culture, I was simultaneously curious and
repulsed.
Then I lived for a short period of time with a family where the mother was
breastfeeding around the clock, even at the dinner table. She had full time
domestic help plus me, sort of a mother's helper. I thought this was absurd.
Just give the baby a propped bottle and get on with life.
So what converted
me? I'm not proud of this, but hearing that breastfeeding could rescue me
from the terrible periods I suffered was a big factor. So one could say that
it's a case of doing something for the wrong reason, and then converting to
the right reason. I didn't know anything about protection from disease
and allergy. When I had my first baby, I put him to my breast and something
indescribable just happened. I just HAD to breastfeed, no matter what. We
traveled by plane when he was 3 mo old, and my husband insisted that I give
him ebm on the plane so as not to expose myself in public. It felt so cold
and
impersonal. So now what I don't understand is why more women don't get
hooked? (I know, there are real obstacles, but I still see it as a preference
for using a wheelchair as opposed to one's own legs.)
Devorah Shulman, WIC PC
(Sorry about the signature file. I know it's inappropriate, but it's my
husband's, and I can't turn it off.
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:46:35 -0500
From: "Kathleen Bodden, RN, BScN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: David and Nofia Altman and the CODE
Your question about the picture, (drawing) of the artificial nipple on the
bottle of mineral water is against the CODE. Page 12 of the booklet
"Protecting Infant Health, A Health Workers Guide to the Code" states that
the Code applies to : artificial milks for babies; other products used to
feed babies, especially when they are marketed for use in a feeding bottle.
The Code also applies to feeding bottles and teats.
Kathleen Bodden in Toronto, where a three judge Ontario Court of Appeal
overtuned former Guelph resident Gwen Jacob's conviction on charges of
committing an indecent act. (She walked bare-breasted through Guelph )on a
humid day in July 1991. The newspaper headlines " Women can go topless in
public". "Changing a prejudicial law is the first step in changing a
society's perceptions. " If we do not wish to be preceived as sex objects,
we need to control the context in which we present our bodies as sexual.
"If we continue to allow society to define our physical bodies as strictly
sexual, we will never get beyond that limited means of expression. We will
never by more than slaves to our gender" quoting Gwen Jacobs.
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:52:13 +0000
From: The Osterholts <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NPR radio
NPR has an audio page. If your computer can handle it, you can access
the program and listen to the program that aired with Dia Micheals.
http://www.realaudio.com/contentp/npr.index.html
Assunta Osterholt, IBCLC
http://www.earthlink.net/~oster6
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