Rob wrote:

>>>My thought was the baby isn't completely emptying mom who fills and begins
>>>to get engorged.

I wrote:

>>But lactating  breasts do not 'completely empty'....ever.  There is
>>normally no need to pump after a feed, if everything is fine.

Rob wrote:

>Heather, your right. That isnt a good way to phrase it. How about not
>adequately emptying mom?
>Cant believe I said it the other way are the numerous times I've told moms
>they still have milk even after X minutes of feeding.

I am still not happy about 'adequately emptying'  either - sorry : )

I guess I don't like the word 'empty' : )

We can talk about milk removal...that's okay!

But I have gone back to your original post, and this mother is pumping for
no reason I can see,  apart from her judgement as to whether the baby has
'emptied' the breast or not.

Okay, she may feel full after the baby seems to have finished - but that's
okay. It only stops being okay if there are problems. Mostly there won't
be. The full feeling will go when bf becomes more established - that's my
experience and observation, anyway. These issues are in the grey area which
don't get researched because there's no real need for any hard data on it,
and we just have to go on what we see happening to mothers.

Pumping is an intervention, and there should always be a good reason for
intervening, or further problems are created - and we can all list hundreds
of scenarios where that happens, I reckon : (

Heather Welford Neil
NCT bfc Newcastle upon Tyne UK

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