I have not used Arnica for engorgement, as it seems to be more appropriate
for swelling due to trauma. However, Bryonia alba is a likely homeopathic
remedy for engorgement. Hope this helps.
Dani Hudspeth, RN, BSN, IBCLC
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> 1. J&J Growing Together
> 2. reducing nipple confusion
> 3. <No subject given>
> 4. Hep A booster
> 5. Thanks on Ativan
> 6. Childminder-a beautiful term
> 7. formula donation/WIC
> 8. ABM
> 9. new pump
> 10. arnica
> 11. Ultimate priorities
> 12. Constipation in Breastfed Babies
> 13. What to do with free formula/pet shelters (long)
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>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:34:29 EST
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>Pediatric Institute of Johnson & Johnson is publishing booklets called the
>Growing Together series. The second booklet, Growing Together 3 to 6 months,
>has a section on separation (parent to leave baby with someone else) in which
>it gives the following advice:
>"One of the things you can do to help is to introduce bottled breast milk,
>formula, or semisolid food. By doing this, Mom and her baby will each take a
>step toward greater independence."
>Pediatric Institute of Johnson & Johnson Consumer Companies, Inc.
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>fax 1-877-565-3299
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>Any comments?
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>Andrew MD
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>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:12:46 -0500
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: reducing nipple confusion
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>>This is 6 nipple confused babies
>>here that I have counseled in 3 weeks.
>
>It sure seems to make a difference if moms are urged to have baby take the
>*whole thing*, so that lips flange on the fat part rather than prissing on
>the thin part. I've even had babies go on to take mom's very flat nipples
>without batting an eye, after a week or so on a plain ordinary (hospital
>type) teat, after mom made sure the baby had a nice big mouthful of teat.
>
>With that big mouthful, though, I think the baby is less able to cut the
>flow off at will, so I have them put frequent pauses in the feeding as well
>- either taking the bottle right out or tipping baby and bottle so the milk
>flows away from the teat, letting baby have a breather, then settling him
>back in to the feed again.
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC Ithaca, NY
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:53:13 +0000
>From: J Martin <[log in to unmask]>
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>Hi,
>
>I have a mom in need of some assistance in the Washington, DC area. Please
>email me privately if you can help.
>
>Thanks,
>Jahaan Martin MEd, IBCLC
>ABQ, NM USA
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:49:33 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Hep A booster
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>I've checked the archives under Hepatitis A vacines/boosters and it's coming
>up empty. Need to know if it is safe for a mother of an 8 week old, 15
>pound
>baby to get her booster vacine for Hepatitis A. (Got first one last year
>prior to
>pregnancy)
>
>Is this safe? I know a mom can nurse if she has Hep A.
>
>Barbara Petzoldt, LLLL, Wic Peer Couns.
>Fenton MO
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:02:27 EST
>From: "Tracy Kirschner, La Leche League Leader & Doctor of"
> <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Thanks on Ativan
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>Thanks to everyone who responded to my Ativan post. BTW, the mom's therapist
>thinks she should wean since she believes the mom's concern over drugs and
>breastfeeding is the biggest contributor to her anxiety attacks! Oy, I just
>don't get some people!
>Tracy
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:36:55 EST
>From: Kermaline J Cotterman <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Childminder-a beautiful term
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>Rhoda Taylor, B.A., I.B.C.L.C., Vancouver Island, Canada
>
>wrote:
>
>Help celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human
>Rights.
> Visit www.amnesty.ca
>
>Maybe this would be one way to help implement that declaration better in
>the USA, to change our culture a bit by encouraging professionals to
>start using that beautiful new term I had never heard before -
>"Childminder" - instead of "Babysitter" ! It says it all, so eloquently.
>
>On the other hand, as we were kindly reminded by Kathy Dettwyler, many of
>us are conflicted about how best to manage our personal priorities, and
>for whatever reasons, often make use of childminders while we tend to
>other things.
>
>A certain familiar pattern of infant massage, started by the parents and
>conveyed to the childminders might help. And much as I hate to use the
>term "mother substitute", a favorite "security blanket" or "fuzzy toy"
>sprayed with mom's favorite cologne, even with an attached pacifier,
>(horrors!), held close to the breast and to the infant's hands when
>nursing from early on, seemed to bring some comfort to one of my little
>ones when I was away.
>
>A baby sling, scented the same way or even with Dad's familiar shaving
>cologne, started early as a favorite method of going to sleep, might by
>helpful. Do you suppose a soft hanky with the scent of mom's breast milk
>and/ or underarm perspiration from that a.m. (a la Dr. Herbert Ratner's
>lecture on "Armpitin" in the '60's) might be of any value? The limbic
>system, seat of the emotional memory, lies very close to the olfactory
>nerve.
>
>I hope you share if you develop such an instruction sheet as you
>described.
>
>K. Jean Cotterman RNC, IIBCLC
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>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:49:04 -0500
>From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: formula donation/WIC
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>Johanna writes: "any woman in the US who needs to visit a food shelf, should
>qualify for WIC."
>
>You are right about that, Johanna! The problem is that many women who are in
>the position of being homeless and in dire poverty still aren't aware that
>this is the case. They are accustomed to programs where they have been
>unable to get benefits without proof of permanent address (not the case with
>WIC, by the way - and WIC has "food packages" specifically designed for
>homeless families or those without refrigeration/cooking facilities - in the
>case of formula, they would get ready-to-feed, and mom would get boxed or
>canned milk for herself).
>
>Many of these families are also "burned out" on programs like WIC - they
>feel hassled there (too many questions), and almost all programs that
>provide assistance EXCEPT shelters & food pantries require a lot of
>documentation: address, proof of income, evidence of citizenship in some
>cases, stuff that shows how they subsist, immunization records for the kids,
>etc. These are the kinds of things that these families often have a great
>deal of trouble keeping track of (it's hard to prove what you *don't* have),
>especially when they live by staying with various people they know, or in a
>car, or in an abandoned truck parked on someone's land, or from shelter to
>shelter. Or they don't read very well, or don't speak much English. So they
>don't KNOW they can get WIC, or they think it will be too much trouble, or
>their husband/boyfriend won't "let" them - and he hits them so they're
>afraid to go against his wishes.
>
>Not pretty, not a "should" situation. So when you meet women like this, do
>anything you can to help them get "hooked up"! If you can't do it yourself,
>stay on that phone till you find the person who can take this woman to the
>places she will be well-served! Soap-boxing here - sorry - this is my
>"cause" in life, even more so than BFing!
>
>Cathy Bargar, RN, IBCLC Ithaca NY
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:58:08 EST
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: ABM
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>What does ABM stand for?
>
>Vickie
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:07:06 -0500
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: new pump
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>What's been your experience with the Av*nt hand pump?
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC Ithaca, NY
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:07:09 -0500
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: arnica
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>When I asked about arnica for engorgment, a few days ago, I meant
>*homeopathic* arnica. Someone (not an LC) had suggested it for severe
>engorgement, saying it was helpful with bruising, but I'd never heard it
>mentioned before. A couple private posters have thought it might be
>helpful in severe cases - you know that oh-so-sad picture in R&A, of a
>woman who look as if she's been inflated and beaten? Just wondered whether
>anyone had ever tried it.
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC Ithaca, NY
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:25:44 -0500
>From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Ultimate priorities
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>Thank you, Kathy D., for expressing so clearly and authoritatively a big
>part of what I've been thrashing around about in this thread about giving
>formula to shelters, etc.! I, not being an anthropologist (maybe in my next
>lifetime!) or having any other credentials on this, have been wanting to say
>exactly what you said, but felt too chicken to say it. Trying to avoid
>generalizing, trying to not make sweeping statements about "homeless women",
>trying to avoid having it be "them" (vs. "us"? - yuk!), etc. Sometimes
>political correctness just gets in the way of clear expression (speaking for
>myself only).
>
>When I worked at the hospital, there was a mother that the nurses wanted to
>"turn in" to Children's Protective Services for the SOLE reason that she
>revealed that they didn't have a crib for the baby, they all slept togather
>on the floor. I caused a big fluff-up by pointing out that the majority of
>the people in the world, throughout history, have not necessarily slept
>one-by-one in fancy beds - boy, you'd think I had advocated some really
>scary radical notion! Hot-button issue!
>
>Cathy Bargar, RN, IBCLC Ithaca NY
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:33:42 -0500
>From: Cathy Bargar <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Constipation in Breastfed Babies
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>Re: constipation in BF babies-
>
>I'm no Dr. Jack, but I've only seen this in young BF babies when mom hasn't
>been nsg. frequently enough. Have seen dietary factors in mom cause *looser*
>stools in baby, esp. with some herbal supplements - fenugreek being one, or
>meds.(I've given up worrying about the stooling habits of older babies once
>BF is well-established when everything else seems to be going OK - they do
>all kinds of things in their diapers!)
>
>Any other problems going on with the baby? How old is the baby? Has Cystic
>Fibrosis been ruled out?
>
>Cathy Bargar, RN, IBCLC
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:40:14 -0600
>From: "Maurenne Griese, RNC" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: What to do with free formula/pet shelters (long)
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>Just the humble opinions of an animal lover... I am really enjoying
>following everyone's comments on this topic. Here, here to Heather for
>standing by her convictions.
>
>Some of us think we should send it to food banks, pet shelters or mail it
>back to the manufacturer. I just read a previous post from yesterday about
>reporting receiving unwanted formula in the mail to the FTC. What is the
>advantage of reporting this practice to the FTC (US Federal Trade
>Commission)? I'm clueless-please enlighten me! If it will make an impact,
>perhaps more of us should do this. I am happy to say I received no formula
>this time around in the mail, but did receive formula at my OBs office at
>my first prenatal visit, but that's another story.
>
>As for sending it to pet shelters, I must disagree on this one. Some of
>you know about the menagerie I have at home and my intimate realtionship
>with a zoologist, also known as my DH. If a pig, cat or dog, for example,
>is needing supplementation for whatever reason, we latch them onto another
>lactating pig, cat or dog. We have even seen cross species wet nurses
>work.
>
>We have had puppies that are born small and very weak. Sometimes they are
>unable to compete with littermates or suckle at their mother's teats. In
>these cases, we've used a widget (a 10cc syringe with the end cut off) to
>express milk from the mother and finger fed them. The size of syringe you
>use depends on the size of the animal. We have Beagles and Australian
>Shepards.
>
>Some of you may have read James Herriot's 'Moses the Cat', where James
>finds a kitten near death that is nourished and nurtured back to health at
>the teats of a sow. IMHO, all animals (including humans) need the milk
>from their species. Just think, in some non-Western cultures, wet nursing
>is the norm. Mention wet nursing in Western cultures though and stones are
>thrown at you.
>
>Back to my point...I don't think infant formula (made from cows milk or
>soybeans for humans) is appropriate for other mammals. We raise beef
>cattle-they are nothing like humans, cats or dogs, other than the common
>thread that they are mammals. Their diets aren't even close. Expressed
>milk or species specific formula is more appropriate. Keep in mind though
>that all of our animals are well cared for because we like them we want
>them and in some cases are a good business venture. I am biased! My
>situation is different from the animal shelter situation.
>
>Again, just my humble opinion.
>
>Maurenne in Manhattan, KS
>Canine, feline, porcine and bovine midwife
>...who is looking forward to calving season very soon and hoping the
>weather will cooperate...
>
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