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Well, as someone who started her breasts lactating at 42, I couldn't 
agree more about how they can do it.  Nearly 3 years later, a strapping 
toddler still makes his home there for about 70% of his nutrition.  And 
we're back in the "Judith Waterford who could still produce milk in her 
80s..." conversation.

I can't see how it's not _obvious_ to everyone that working breasts stay 
working for a long time, and this is vital in the survival of the human 
species.  As a race, we excell at getting past amazingly bad droughts 
and famines and surviving on practically nowt for a couple of 
generations (hence formula manages to raise so many kids).  Mothers do, 
and did, die at birth, and they also fall prey to illness and accident 
along the way.  Breasts sometimes malfunction too, as we see today.  
Online, I see a lot of the 2% mothers, who just simply can't make enough 
milk (just had one last week, in fact.)  As I've gone along, it's become 
clear to me, that the vast history of the human race has had lactating 
_communities_, not lactating mothers, per se.  If a babe gets to be born 
healthy, milk will be there, somewhere, whether it be family or tribe.  
It's when we've broken off from tribal roots, and put ourselves into 
small units, and put the pressure on one mother to feed and raise her 
children... that's when it all gets a wee bit problematic!  Even today, 
mothers in some areas who are struggling to transition from gold milk to 
white milk, will have a cup passed round and a cup filled with a few 
drops of white from every mother in the ward.  In a world where women in 
a community will synchronise their menstrual cycles, it makes perfect 
sense to me that in a community of lactating mothes and suckling babies, 
all working breasts will stay primed.... surely synchronised 
menstruation is all about having babies born at roughly the same time in 
the community?  So many here have reported milk springing up when babies 
do - it's just basic survival sense!

In fact, I've been wondering about the status of some mothers, versus 
others, in ancient tribal cultures, in terms of milk making.  If you 
managed to gestate, but couldn't fully lactate, did someone else raise 
the child as their own?  If you made more milk, did you get to suckle 
more babies?  Did the women who wanted to go out and hunt, just hand 
over the baby to the tribe to feed whilst she was off, or did it have to 
be a nominated person?  Did you ever get jealous scenarios breaking out 
about other people getting too fond of yourn?  Did any communities ever 
die off, as they took in a new wife/partner with a new disease, and she 
tracked it through all the babies?  At what point did male rules over 
female ownership start to imprint on lactation behaviour, as it did on 
sexual behaviour and worship?  Did only nursing your own partner's 
children, come in before or after the desire to make sure your partner 
ONLY had YOUR child?  Did you prefer for your own mother to nurse your 
child, as it was more controllable in that sense?  Was lactation, power, 
in the earliest communites, and was that challanged as men worked out 
that babies only happened with their sperm?  I want a time machine!  
(But will settle for someone doing an awesome Phd. - are there any stone 
age tribes left, that haven't moved down the male ownership of the 
female's sexuality root?)  And yes, I do have that weird a mind... I do 
think about this sort of stuff All The Time.

Many many years ago, I knew a male nurse who would patiently explain 
that all males could produce some milk, if the mother died and there 
were no other women available.  All it took was a baby strong enough to 
keep suckling for something to happen.... and it's just impossible to 
me, to envision a world whereby babies in need were not just simply put 
to the breast of any woman who happened to be around, when disaster 
struck.   Few communites kill off the babies first in real extremis - 
it's the old who go first, in order to keep the babies alive.  And I'm 
sure that any breast, whether older and now no longer suckling, or too 
young to have started their own journey, would be handed a baby When All 
Else Failed.

In the tribal context Robin, some grandmas are well younger than either 
you or me! :-)   In fact, I know a mother of nine, still breastfeeding 
her youngest two, with her oldest well old enough to have produced 
children.  Some of these tribal grandmothers could have been nursing 
their own children AND their grandchildren- no need for spontaneous 
relactation.  One mother in the Channel 4 "Extreme Breastfeeding" video, 
on knowing she had a birth issue for her second born, flew her own 
breastfeeding mother to the UK and asked her to suckle the baby at 
birth, whilst she was in theatre.  The grandmother did so, and called it 
her extreme privalege to the be able to do so.   She only suckled the 
newborn for a few hours, but I'm sure milk would have been there if that 
had continued.  And surely in China, grandmothers raised the babies 
whilst the mothers went into the fields?  Is this a post formula 
phenomenon?  What about the AIDS orphans being raised by their 
grandmothers in Africa right now?

So many questions....

Morgan Gallagher


Robin Roots,RN, IBCLC wrote:
> To make a long story short, I agree, someone should do a research 
> paper on this.  I feel I could have started nursing a baby.  Still do 
> at times.  That would be a hoot being in my 40 something and sending 
> my first born to college now.
> What a powerful drive our bodies have.  I had no idea, I was one of so 
> many.
> I wonder, would a Grandma be able to nurse her grandchild, if her 
> daughter could not.  Maybe this happened long ago in our hunter 
> gathering society.  I find it facinating.
>
>   

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