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        This is my first time inquiring on LACTNET - What a great
resource!! I am a Lactation Educator, soon to be IBCLC, working in a
large Lactation Center at Northside Hospital in Atlanta, GA.  We have
an urgent need to get a copy of the study on hindmilk and foremilk
by Michael Woolridge and the study on length of nursing and nipple
soreness by DeCalvehlo.  I would greatly appreciate your assistance
ASAP!!!   Thanks! Robin Roberts







At 09:15 PM 11/05/96 -0400, you wrote:
>There are 19 messages totalling 408 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics in this special issue:
>
>  1. Need contacts in Denver, CO
>  2. something to think about
>  3. Persistent Thrush
>  4. Phone consults and positioning
>  5. ? on Lawrence research
>  6. IBFAN North America
>  7. IBFAN North America/NABA Meeting
>  8. flames
>  9. Thrush
> 10. Relactation & combo BCPs
> 11. Marie's son
> 12. lack of maternity leave: who pays?
> 13. LC exchange program
> 14. abm company & nursesweek
> 15. i need to vent- and neet news - lighter side not all breastfeeding.
> 16. oxytocin nasal spray ????
> 17. hair loss after pregnancy (and lactation?)
> 18. how and why of cabbage for decreasing milk
> 19. FYI: In the news drive-through deliveries
>
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>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 12:33:13 EDT
>From:    "PHYLLIS J. ADAMSON" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Need contacts in Denver, CO
>
>My daughter-in-law in Denver has a friend who is ~4 mos preg with twins &
asking
>for info & help.  These will be 1st & 2nd babies.   Need contact resources for
>LLL & LCs in N.W. Denver.
>E-mail info privately, please.
>Thanks loads.   :-D
>
>Phyllis Adamson, IBCLC
>Prvt.Prac. - Glendale, AZ
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sun, 12 May 1996 00:39:21 +0800
>From:    Sherwood <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: something to think about
>
>I saw a magnet today that siad "Remember, milk isn't the only thing that
>comes out of cows".  I love it!
> Nancy Sherwood LLLL, IBCLC Perth, Australia- where it was a beautiful,
>brisk, nippy day  (my husband calls it a nippley day 'cause its cool enough
>to make everyone's nipples stick out!)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 13:19:28 -0400
>From:    "<Rita Ippolito Warren>" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Persistent Thrush
>
>Jay:
>
>In my private practice, many clients with persistent thrush choose to
>evakuate their diet and mke some changes.  They are usually open to trying
>herbal remedies as well.
>
>I know many herbals that address yeast.  Some are suitable for the nursing
>mother some are not.  The most widely used one among my clients is Calendula.
>
>Rita
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 14:20:25 -0400
>From:    Paul & Kathy Koch <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Phone consults and positioning
>
>Barbara Wilson-Clay,BSE,IBCLC wrote:
>>
>>        Kathy Koch writes about a mom with sores or cracks on outer side of
>> nipple.  Over the phone, mom has assured her that positioning is fine. I'd
>> have a million bucks by now by if I had a nickle for everyone who has
>> assured me over the phone that their positioning was fine.  Somebody who
>> knows how to assess latch-on needs to look at her.  This would take about 10
>> min to fix, and points out the limitations of phone consultation.  I have
>> done freq. phone consultations for 17 yrs, so I feel qualified to make that
>> remark.  I continue to be dismayed by how quickly people assume that some
>> exotic problem with the frenulum or suck must surely be the problem when
>> re-positioning solves the vast majority  of the problems I see involving
>> sore nipples.   Lactation Consultants exist because some problems need to be
>> SEEN.
>
>I agree completely, which is why I encouraged her to seek out the services
of an IBCLC.
>
><snip from my original post>
>
>"I explained the risks and limitations of nipple shields and suggested
>to her that she ask her doctor to refer her to an IBCLC for very close in
office
>monitoring--not over the phone."
>
>I explained what those letters stood for (and she wrote it down) and
strongly suggested
>she find someone who is board-certified.  I did explain the limitations of
>phone-consulting and she seemed to understand what my limits were at 9:00
on a Friday
>night!  When I reviewed positioning with this mom, she told me positioning
had been
>taught to her by the LC at the hospital after delivery.  She also told me
how the baby
>had been positioned and it sounded correct.  She also consulted with an LC
when she
>rented a pump.  I don't know the qualifications of these LC's.  I do
realize, however,
>that we are often told only part of the story which, again, is why I asked
her to ask
>her doctor for a referral and also gave her some referrals.  I also don't
think it is
>unreasonable to ask a mom if she notices a problem with the baby's tongue
or suck.  I
>asked her those questions because I wanted to know if there were other
reasons to refer
>her on.
>
>Kathy Koch
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>Alexandria, VA
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 15:11:44 -0400
>From:    "Marie Davis, Rn, Clc" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: ? on Lawrence research
>
>I just heard through the grapevine that Ruth Lawrence did a study regarding
>feeding behavior and epidurals.  Can anyone *in the know* elaborate?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 15:41:27 -0400
>From:    "Marsha Walker, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: IBFAN North America
>
>As a director of the National Alliance for Breastfeeding Advocacy (NABA), I
>have been asked by Elisabeth Sterken of INFACT Canada to post the following
>announcement:
>Date: Friday, May 10, 1996
>Subject: IBFAN has no ties with ACTION
>
>The International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN) has no association with
>ACTION for Corporate Accountability which is based in Washington, DC.
>
>Recently, ACTION circulated a proposal for a project which in part involves
>monitoring baby food industry marketing practices and which seeks the
>participation of and funding by the very same industry. This relationship is
>unacceptable to IBFAN as it violates IBFAN's long standing principle of not
>accepting funds or sponsorships from the baby food industry. IBFAN values its
>ability to promote, protect, and support breastfeeding uncompromised by
>conflicting interests.
>
>ACTION New Haven and its predecessor ACTION Minneapolis and INFACT
>Minneapolis were IBFAN affiliates. ACTION's abrupt closure and dismissal of
>staff in October 1995 was unexpected, unexplained and unnecessary. IBFAN
>therefore distanced itself from ACTION as it resurfaced in Washington, DC.
>With ACTION's present funding proposal and statements displaying a total
>disregard for basic IBFAN principles, IBFAN has no choice but to dissociate
>itself completely from ACTION Washington, DC.
>
>ACTION's proposal also questions the current relevancy and success of the
>International Code of Marketing of Breast-Milk Substitutes. Since the
>adoption of the International Code of Marketing of Breast-Milk Substitutes at
>the World Health Assembly of 1981, IBFAN has taken a leadership role in
>working with governments, breastfeeding groups, and professional associations
>around the world to implement and monitor the Code. In addition, some
>provisions of the Code have become law in 29 countries and voluntary measures
>adopted in 33 countries. Another 29 countries have draft regulations or
>recommendations for legislation.
>
>IBFAN's global network with which ACTION is now no longer affiliated, is
>committed to full implementation of the Code in all countries, as it works
>through training, monitoring, lobbying, advocacy, and education to fulfill
>its mandate to protect the health of mothers and children.
>
>Please contact INFACT Canada, the IBFAN North America Regional Co-ordinating
>Office for questions or comments.
>416 595-9819
>Fax 416 591-9355
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 15:49:20 -0400
>From:    "Marsha Walker, RN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: IBFAN North America/NABA Meeting
>
>Just a quick memo to all of you interested in breastfeeding advocacy:
>
>A meeting of groups and individuals interested in advancing the political
>needs to support and protect breastfeeding will be held during the ILCA
>Conference, Kansas City (July 11-14, 1996)
>
>IBFAN North America and NABA (the National Alliance for Breastfeeding
>Advocacy) will be co-hosting the meeting on Friday, July 12, 1996 at 7:00pm.
>
>On the agenda will be:
>1. Breastfeeding Protection: A Code for the North Americas
>2. Strategies: Developing an Action Plan
>3. Organizing and Communicating: Making it Happen
>
>For further information contact:
>In Canada:
>Elisabeth Sterken, INFACT Canada
>416 595-9819
>Fax 416 591-9355
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>In the USA:
>Marsha Walker, NABA
>617 893-3553
>Fax 617 893-8608
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>Hope to see all of you advocate there!!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:05:21 -0400
>From:    "Digest Laurie Wheeler, Rnc, Mn, Ibclc" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: flames
>
>Dear Lactnetters,
>
>The ever watchful K.B. has gently reprimanded me re my earlier post "taking
>offense/apologies."  I did not intend to start/fan any flames.  My apologies
>to anyone who might have been offended.
>
>Laurie Wheeler
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:12:30 -0400
>From:    Diane Mulonas RLD TLC <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Thrush
>
>Thrush=Yeast ...its systemic. read "the yeast connection" And take
>Acidopholis ...LOTs also can be wiped in babies mouth. Open capsule and
>spread a finger tip full 2x a day.   Diet needs to be revamped. Whole grains,
>fresh veggies, stay away from sugars and fermented foods..stay with the fresh
>stuff. It has to be eliminated from the gut. So, eating raw, natual foods is
>essential.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 16:22:57 -0500
>From:    Michael & Cathy Lester <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Relactation & combo BCPs
>
>I was concerned to see that 5 month old infant was receiving Karo syrup in
>Nutramigen.  Honey and corn syrup are the two most common vehicles for
>transmission of botulism spores, resulting in infant botulism.  20% of corn
>syrup samples contain viable botulinum spores, and about 10% of honey
>samples.  Infant botulism can range from mild to severe, with death as a
>possible outcome. Between 60-100 cases of infant botulism are reported to
>CDC annually.
>Symptoms can be hard to recognize in young infants.  The illness begins with
>diarrhea and progresses within 48 hours of initial onset to muscular
>weakness.  Symptoms like drooling and difficulty walking, easily identified
>in older patients, are not obvious in babies.  Honey and corn syrup are
>considered safe after age 1, by which time gut pH is low enough that the
>spore doesn't germinate, and gut flora is well enough established that
>illness would have to occur from ingestion of the botulism toxin not the
spores.
>Donna Logan
>
>Midura, T.F.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 19:25:46 -0400
>From:    "Diane Dressler,LLL Leader" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Marie's son
>
>Dear Marie,
>My heart and prayers are with you, your son, and the rest of your family
>while you wait for good news.
>Diane Dressler
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:55:21 -0600
>From:    Arly Helm <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: lack of maternity leave: who pays?
>
>>Diane wrote:
>><<<A year paid maternity leave.........someone must pay for that leave. Who
>>whould it be? the employer? The Government(which means you and I)>>>
>
>In the US, we give unlimited "paid" maternity leave--just enough to keep
>women poor and hopeless and in despair and never get them back into the
>workforce--I'm talking about welfare/Medicaid/etc.  IMHO, the Norwegian
>method is more economical to the taxpayer and more respectful of the
>mother, and better in the long run for the new generation.  It says there
>is a place for the woman in the workplace (if she needs it), but little
>babies get their needs met first.
>
>In the years since the UN has been keeping track of infant mortality aged
>0-5 years, the Scandinavian countries have maintained their positions at
>the top of the list in terms of infant survival, where the US has fallen
>year after year.  The last time I checked, we were at 22nd place, about on
>par with Eastern Europe.
>
>Families should be counseled not to create more children than they can ever
>hope to support, but to deny working class women the chance to have any
>children at all simply because there is little chance they will make enough
>to support even one child without assistance seems cruel.
>
>Arly in Northern Utah                [log in to unmask]
>MS, CLE, IBCLC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:55:20 -0600
>From:    Arly Helm <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: LC exchange program
>
>I think we should start an LC exchange program, where we visit each other's
>places of work and learn from each other.
>
>Arly in Northern Utah                [log in to unmask]
>MS, CLE, IBCLC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:55:52 -0600
>From:    Arly Helm <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: abm company & nursesweek
>
>> Now tell me, would you have eaten that catered lunch today???
>
>I go to lunch with the ABM reps when they invite the staff because I want
>my voice to be heard but I always pay my own way (and am the only one who
>does).  The reps accept this with grace.  One of my co-workers (an LC)
>comments about it in a manner that indicates she does not agree with my
>position, but can accept it as one of my peculiarities.
>
>
>Arly in Northern Utah                [log in to unmask]
>MS, CLE, IBCLC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 17:55:52 -0600
>From:    Arly Helm <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: i need to vent- and neet news - lighter side not all
breastfeeding.
>
>>On a lighter my first born (age 8, third grade,  IQ just under 140, and of
>>course she knows it all, must be the great mumma nummas she got)
>
>We have a pediatrician locally who has told me, and others, that an
>exclusively breastfed child will never pass algebra.  (One of my patients
>reminded me of this illustrious quote today--I didn't know his fame was so
>widespread.)
>
>I could use a pick me up lately.
>>the breast biz has roughed me up a bit the last few weeks.
>
>Me, too!   SIGH.  When I feel better I'll tell y'all about it.
>
>Arly in Northern Utah                [log in to unmask]
>MS, CLE, IBCLC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 18:58:04 -0600
>From:    Tom and Glenda Deahl <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: oxytocin nasal spray ????
>
>Can someone refresh my memory on what happened to oxytocin nasal spray.
>
>I seem to remember discussion about 6 months back regarding its removal
>from the market.  If memory serves me correctly, there were suspicious
>circumstances involving the pharmacuetical company making the drug being
>aquired by another company which also happened to produce abm.
>
>Is my memory way off base?  Can anyone supply details, like what abm
>company is involved?  Inquiring LC (and supportive MDs) want to know?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Glenda Deahl, RN, ICCE, IBCLC
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 21:05:24 -0400
>From:    "Diane Dressler,LLL Leader" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: hair loss after pregnancy (and lactation?)
>
>An oft remarked upon phenomena in my experience talking with other mothers,
>breastfeeding or not, is increased hair loss after pregnancy.  Does anyone
>care to comment on this relationship?  Is it hormonal?  How much does
>lactation have to do with it?  I always considered that I didn't have thick
>hair--and after my babies were born, I started noticing lots of hair in the
>tub.  Now, two years after my youngest weaned, I am still losing hair.
> Fairly recently, I got my hair cut short.  I still notice hair, but the
>person who cuts my hair says it really is quite thick--fine, but thick.  So,
>my experience would seem to suggest that even though one may lose hair after
>pregnancy (and lactation?), it is not lost forever.  A mother just called me
>to say that her hair was curly before her baby was born, but is now straight
>and she is losing it.  She asked if getting a perm would be risky--the
>mercury, the ammonia.  I told her that the risk would certainly be greater if
>she were ingesting these things (not to be glib)--that logically, absorbtion
>through the skin would be less of a concern.  I told her I'd check it out.
> Folklore has sit that perms don't take during pregnancy.  Is it true?  Why?
> Is it true also during lactation?  Anyone?
>Diane Dressler
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 21:05:25 -0400
>From:    "Diane Dressler,LLL Leader" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: how and why of cabbage for decreasing milk
>
>Anyone care to give a short lesson on the use of cabbage in decreasing milk
>supply?  I have long noticed references on Lactnet to using cabbage.  I
>remember reading something briefly in Medela's Rental Roundup newsletter
>several years ago.
>I am curious, cabbage, Diane Dressler.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Sat, 11 May 1996 21:10:38 -0400
>From:    "Marie Davis, Rn, Clc" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: FYI: In the news drive-through deliveries
>
>>From AOL's spotlight news
>
>"Clinton Blasts Insurance Firms
>
>   President Clinton criticized insurance companies today for promoting
>so-called ``drive-through'' baby deliveries. He says the firms encourage that
>by refusing to pay for more than 24-hour hospital stays for mothers and
>newborns. In his weekly radio address, Clinton called the practice a
>dangerous one. And he urged Congress to act quickly on legislation
>guaranteeing 48-hour postpartum hospital stays for mothers and their
>children. He says saving the health and lives of mothers and newborns is more
>important than saving a few dollars."
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of LACTNET Digest - 11 May 1996 - Special issue
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