Hello all,
I just had to react to this part of Karleens message:
"Indeed Norma. And I would think that anyone who objected to a baby being around because it was "distracting" or "annoying" perhaps is not well suited to being a lactation consultant."
I think there is a huge difference between baby noises in normal everyday life, or even at conferences and having baby noises in an exam setting. In most situations I don't even notice baby noises. Because I have had my own and certainly have helped tens of thousands of mom and baby dyads in my 22 years as a LLLL and IBCLC and group facilitator to first time moms, I have grown to LOVE THOSE NOISES and feel they are a part of our lives BUT I am also a pretty lousy exam taker. I hate exams, I don't even know how I passed them‼ I do get distracted, and especially with the language used in the exam it is truly a great challenge for me. So, I for one, would find it very difficult to concentrate having added distractions in the room. We are all different, that is what makes life interesting, so while some of you may be able to "double task" we are not all the same. So, while I love babies, and can usually block out noise for example when I want to sleep, or watch tv, (reading subtitles helps) I doubt very much that distractions such as babies or anything else in an exam would enhance my test results.‼
Respectfully,
Ellen Shein, IBCLC
Tel Aviv
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Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:43:34 +1000
From: Karleen Gribble <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: IBLCE exam and breastfeeding
Indeed Norma. And I would think that anyone who objected to a baby being
around because it was "distracting" or "annoying" perhaps is not well suited
to being a lactation consultant. I recall overhearing a family and child
health nurse complain at a seminar about the presence of young children
along the lines of "we have to be around children all day at work and then
here as well- sheesh"- I think that this woman had a problem with her career
choice.
As to the discussion around women in the military, many of us outside of the
US just can't get the justification of barbaric practices. It's like looking
at traditions in other times or places that sanctioned rape within marriage
and saying "suck it up, you chose it- that's how it is." It just seems
inconceivable.
Karleen Gribble
Australia
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I find it interesting that the public perception of breastfeeding is that it
is not a normal activity but a *special circumstance.*
I find it even more interesting that this perception seems to be true even
of the IBLCE, the examining body of lactation consultants.
If our profession does not recognise the normality of a woman breastfeeding,
how can we expect others to do so? This applies not only to sitting for
exams, but also to conference attendance. Nursing mothers are effectively
excluded from attending many breastfeeding conferences because their
non-separating children are not welcomed. The argument is that *We paid good
money for this conference and do not want to be distracted by babies.*
Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?
Norma Ritter, IBCLC, RLC
Breastfeeding Matters in the Capital Region
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Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:26:38 -0600
From: Bernshaw <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: IBLCE exam and breastfeeding
I am afraid you hit it right on the nail.
One thing I have not been able to understand yet is how women have
taken so easily to bottle feeding. I often ask myself, Is women's
biology a burden on women as well? Given our Western culture and the
pressure that it causes around the world, can women truly fit in this
culture without making herculean efforts to follow their biological
calling?
Nicole Bernshaw, MSc, IBCLC
On May 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Norma Ritter wrote:
> Nicole wrote:
>> Given that we, lactation consultants, are at the forefront of the
>> movement toward breastfeeding as the norm, it behooves us to
> understand and explain (through research?) why we use the same
> anti-baby arguments as the corporate world. If my hunch is correct,
> biology and culture do not blend harmoniously.<
>
> Then we just have to face the facts.
> We can't change biology, but we can change culture.
>
> Oh.
> Wait.
> Isn't that what happened when we got commercial infant formulas and
> bottles?
>
>
> Norma Ritter, IBCLC, RLC
> Breastfeeding Matters in the Capital Region
> www.NormaRitter.com
>
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