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Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:46:14 EST
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Okay--
I have my first case-history to ask about on LACTNET...

I have been trying to "unofficially" (because my malpractice isn't in effect 
until
Feb 1) help out a mom from my church [along with her "bf friendly" 
pediatrician who has only been weighing him once a week:( ] for the past 6 
1/2 weeks.  She has given permission for my post.

Mom's first baby (42 y/o)--baby was 37 weeks, and mom was induced for his 
presumed large size.  (Turned out to be 8-15.)  She had truly inverted 
nipples (Left>right)--looked great until baby tried to latch--then 
disappeared.  Failed the pinch test.  A colleague saw them in the hospital, 
and called me to warn me they were having trouble getting him latched--he 
never did get onto the left side before discharge at 48 hours.  She also had 
the impression that he would "clamp down" in an effort to keep the nipple 
from pulling out of his mouth.  They were sent home with a hand pump to help 
"draw out" the nipple. 

I was contacted at 4 days--still never latched to left, and poor latch on 
right--very shallow--poor supply--no bms--mom's nipples very sore.  Rested 
nipples, started pumping and finger-feeding.  Used inverted syringe to pull 
nipples out for each feeding--could get him to latch deeply more and more 
often over the next several days...but then he would "slip" down on nipple 
later in the feeding.  We tried an SNS, but mom didn't like it. Had a pp 
doula go over several times over the next 3 weeks (for 4 hours at a time) and 
worked with mom on insisting he have a good latch.  (Mom has a high pain 
tolerence, tends to "settle" for a shallow latch)  One of those days we tried 
a "rebirthing", or at least my understanding of it.  Mom and baby in tub, 
lounged around, and latched when baby interested.  He did well on Left in 
there(his "bad" side at the time) because mom is left-handed, and we couldn't 
get her as comfortable holding him on right.  That was the turning point. 
 SInce THEN, he prefers the LEFT!  (Or else mom does,subconciously?? Not 
sure.)

SO- he took 5 weeks to regain his bwt.  (He initially lost 15%) He gained and 
lost in a see-saw fashion as we increased and decreased his supplementation.  
He is now 6 weeks-3 days and is 9-10.  I saw them last week and was 
discouraged to find that his little jaw is clamped tighter than ever...it 
seems it has gradually gotten worse; we cannot seem to persuade him to open 
wide to latch anymore.  Now that we finally have a digital scale at our new 
center, I had her bring him in for a pre/post weight on Friday after mom had 
been pumping more frequently ( getting 2 1/2 oz at a time) for several days, 
but he only got 26ml from both breasts in 40 minutes of vigorous sucking, 
with mouth not appearing to be open wide enough.  (And I could see that he 
was only swallowing with let-downs)  Mom says she is "a little" sore, and no 
damage is visible.

It seems to me that he has gotten really good at finger-feeding, and likes to 
have his mouth open about that much, so is not transferring milk effectively.

We have tried:
more cobathing, "open wide" said by mother with positive verbal 
reinforcement, placing finger farther back in his mouth for finger-feedings, 
and fenugreek.  Friday I was running out of ideas, but can't help thinking 
that the finger-feeding is no longer a "good thing" for this particular 
guy--so had them start using a Haberman, demonstrating how far they need to 
get his mouth over the "big" part.  It took some doing, but we got his gums 
just over the thick portion.  I have asked them to continue to try and place 
it gradually farther back into his mouth, and vary the flow to simulate a 
breastfeed.

My only other thought as I watched/felt this "tight" little guy would be CST, 
but I don't know how to find a "reputable" therapist in our city...and he 
wasn't "tight" from birth...it seems he initially "learned to" clamp down to 
try and keep the nipples in his mouth...or maybe he STILL feels he needs to 
do that--it's really hard to say just what her nipples do once he latches.  
They don't appear to retract with pinching anymore.

Okay, wise ones...any thoughts?  (Sorry so long)

Kathy Leeper, MD, IBCLC
Medical Director
MilkWorks
A non-profit Corporation providing breastfeeding education, consultation and 
support in Lincoln, NE...opening Feb 1st!!

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