I am somewhat new to lactnet, and have been following the discussion
     of engorgement with great interest.  One thing that we probably all
     agree on is that more research is needed. Something puzzles me though.
     I have never recommended cabbage leaves, so I have no first hand
     experience with it.  However, there was a study published recently in
     JHL which used cabbage leave extract in a double blind study.  It was
     not found to be any more effective than the placebo.  Has there been
     more research that I am not aware of?  If the cabbage leaves have to
     be cold, then aren't we simply applying cold compresses?  Perhaps the
     cabbage leaves are more acceptable for mothers to use than ice.

     Returning to lurking.