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 << He nurses about 10 times a day and is taking only stage 1 fruits
and vegetables. >>

how is his nursing?  how is her supply?  I'd have a look at some of
the basics....is he eating before nursing or after.   I've definitely
seen moms think of stage one fruits and veggies as a meal, then nurse
babies around those 'meals'.....so a baby fully on low cal/high fiber
foods isn't nursing enough to meat the rest of caloric needs.

<< Mom has eliminate all of the above foods.>>

peanuts, rice, eggs, soy, milk and wheat?  really not too bad:)  btdt

so mom can eat, if her baby's allergist is okay with it other nuts
(though they might be off limits as well)
 ~chicken, beef, bison, turkey
~all veggies
~all veggie starches like potato, sweet potato, winter squash
~all fruits

one of the most obvious things is:  where will mom get her
phospholipids that are so important in mood stability and mental
health.  with soy and eggs off the list, her options are limited.   I
would be my bottom dollar though, that the baby, will tolerate well,
her ingesetion of lecithin (which is from soy).

<<  Has anyone had experience with adding foods back into diet
(primarily mom's diet)?>>

not advisable.....even with food 'intolerances' that don't register on
allergy tests in any meaningful way, we all know how very real the
reactions are when baby nurses.  with an actual peanut allergy?  eggs?
 wow, i'd avoid the above list like the plague.

for a long time we were off all nuts (except peanuts LOL), all beans,
stone fruits, some meats, eggs, soy, gluten and bananas.   Things are
better now.

We still eat very little milk - as in, i don't cook with it, buy it or
consider it as meeting any of our nutritional needs (b/c we eat it so
infrequently)...and it's just sorta become normal and okay (this from
a cheese addict of unbelievable proportions).

Even wheat allergy isn't all that difficult to work around when it's
not *gluten* in general.....you still have oats, quinoa, millet, rice,
corn, amaranth, rye, barley, buckwheat.   Kamut and spelt based on the
fact that they are forms of wheat should probably be avoided.  But she
can talk to the allergist about that.

I'd shift babies calories to nursing first, and for extra cals do

1)meat since it's more calorically dense than the fruits/veggies, fish
in the form of wild salmon and sardines (if allergist okays)....no
farm raised fish (toxins...now including melamine)

2)avocado daily

3)sweet potato, winter squash for carb calories b/c they're more
nutrient dense than grains.

4)fresh fruits...the enzymes present will only be a benefit in terms
of digestion, which means better absorption which could mean better
weight gain.

5)fresh veggies - steamed or sauteed in broth for more flavor and oil
for more calories.

6)small amounts of cooked beans (lots of fiber though so ease into it)

6)We all know I'm not a fan of grains for babies.....but if one must
do it, i'd go with *soaked overnight* millet, amaranth, quinoa and
oats made into porridges....skipping corn and rice.

This can all go with coconut oil, olive oil for extra calories.   He
can also take fish oil, or better yet a little cod liver oil for a
little vitamin D (carlson brand is good and has a good A to D ratio).

If mom gets the okay from the allergist, other nuts will also be a
great option for her and later for the baby.

I found and still find it most helpful to shift my thinking about
food, rather than simply trying to 'substitute'.  In general, i was
disappointed with substitution and overall, found it less satisfying
and doable.

Instead,  I think about everything we can eat, and plan meals around
that without regard for manufactured ideas about what constitutes
appropriate 'breakfast' food or 'lunch' food.

Most of our meals are built around:
1)a smaller to larger portion of some kind of meat (depending on who's
eating it)
2)salad
3)cooked veggie
4)fruit
5)some bean

In general, I make something for 'dinner', then we eat it in some form
for breakfast and lunch the next day.

The kids only have cereal once a week.  Cereal just isn't that
nutritious, grains were not an abundant part of the human diet in an
environment of evolutionary adaptation, little/no antioxidants, little
protein, lots of carbs and little in the way of minerals.

Contrast that to fruits and veggies and the fruits and veggies win
out.  Hands down.  Have to eat more of them though.  Contrast grains
to sweet potato, winter squash and the latter two come out ahead.  I
also feel better about regular potatoes than grains....but we don't
eat them that much b/c they trigger something in all of us (me and my
kids) that doesn't seem healthy - the kids get especially picky  and
start wanting only carb foods....and really, I don't tolerate picky
eating.

So yes, it is odd, but my kids might get a plate of black beans,
chicken and a salad made of tomato, avocado and cukes for
breakfast....lunch might look similar.

There are lots of ways to make potato salad, sardine salad, salmon
salad and chicken salad without mayonaise (eggs).....

While it's challenging at first, it's definitely doable.   She'll
quickly master the learning curve.  One key thing is Always Bring
Food.  It's the first rule of food allergies.  Always Bring Food.
More than you think you need.

Other good things to consider for mom and baby:

1)digestive enzymes

2)probiotics

3)sufficient vitamin D (unless it's being taken daily in supplement
form or unless they're getting midday sun every day in the summer no
one is getting enough...winter?  can't get D from sun, need
supplements)

4)sufficient phospholipids...possibly from lecithin.  i do know one
egg anaphylactic, soy allergic little girl who's been able to tolerate
it as a supplement and a food additive (tiny non-nutritive amounts of
it are in many things)....talk to the allergist.  don't be dismissed
by 'oh she doesn't need it.....oh you don't need it".

5)sufficient iron and zinc (red meat is the best source)

6)sufficient long chain omega 3's (fish oil).

Generally speaking, I found RD's to be not so helpful.  I attempted to
work with three different ones that had been recommended to me.  One
by our ped, one by our allergist, one by my ins company.  No offense
intended to any of the wonderful RD's who may participate on this
list.  The advice I got from the *three* I tried seemed to be to build
a standard american diet with gluten free, egg free, soy free
(everything free stuff).  They kept saying 'nutrition from food' not
supplements, which I agree with in theory, but considering the expense
of wild salmon, the risk associated with other types of fish, the
heavy reliance on 'fortification' as nutrition in the american diet
and the relative LACK of fortification in the organic, allergic,
health food store offerings, it was clear that relying and nutrient
deficient standard american diet was not the optimal path.

I was interested in optimal.  Not perfect.  But optimal in terms of
the best I could do.  So with a lot of work, a lot of interviews, a
lot of searching, I did find a very good nutritionist who could help
me get as much nutrition as possible into my 17 lb 16mo, AND who could
point me in the right direction with the supplements that we all
definitely needed.

It was great working with her across the board.  She's the one who
sparked my interested in Vitamin D.   Now that was something
lifechanging - getting my vitamin D levels up.  But that's another
story - one I think i've already bored you with.

All the best,
Katherine in atl

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