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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hafner-Eaton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:44 AM
To: Johnson, Martha (PHMG)
Subject: Re: gas as dr's reason to give formula


The idea is to follow the flow of the baby's intestines, so it is the BABY'S
right hip that you start with.  Good point...I should have specified.  Would
you post that for me?  TIA!

Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC    [log in to unmask]
mom, wife, educator, lactation consultant, researcher, scientist, author,
organic gardener, photographer, lapidary creator, lousy cleaner.


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>From: "Johnson, Martha (PHMG)" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: "'Chris Hafner-Eaton'" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: RE: gas as dr's reason to give formula
>Date: Thu, May 11, 2000, 10:41 AM
>

> Very clear, thanks so much, Chris.  Just to be sure, are the lefts and
> rights the baby's or the health worker's?
> Hope your surgery goes well--
> Martha J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hafner-Eaton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:39 AM
> To: Johnson, Martha (PHMG)
> Subject: Re: gas as dr's reason to give formula
>
>
> Hi Martha:  The weather is just terrible.  My dad flew in from NY from 90
> degrees to this!  He's here to care for the kids while I'm in for surgery.
>
>  Sorry, I made an assumption about the ILU (I Love You) thing...my
> fault...the pattern is descirbed in a few infant massage books as follows:
> Start at the right hip of baby and stroke (start light, but work up to
> deeper, long sweeps) upward toward the right rib side of rib cage (that's
> the "I"); then make an upside down "L" from the right side of rib cage
> across to the left side (horizontally just under the ribs where the
> transverse colon runs) and down toward the left hip; then, start back at
> right hip and make an upside down "U" over the entire area you just
covered.
> The idea is to follow the natural flow of the intestines.  Very gassy
babies
> will find this difficult, so I start by doing leg bicycling with them and
> general massage.  If you never have done baby massage, there are two books
> that I recommend:  one by Marybettes Sinclair and the other by Schneider
> Mclain.  The massage helps with bonding, giving parents another "tool" to
> help baby, and some research shows that massaged babies grow faster (both
> because of increased appetite and independently of intake they absorb
more).
> Is this more clear now?
> warmly
> Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC    [log in to unmask]
> mom, wife, educator, lactation consultant, researcher, scientist, author,
> organic gardener, photographer, lapidary creator, lousy cleaner.
>
>
> ----------
>>From: "Johnson, Martha (PHMG)" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: "'Chris Hafner-Eaton'" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: RE: gas as dr's reason to give formula
>>Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 3:38 PM
>>
>
>> Hi Chris--
>> Just wondering:  what is the "I Love You" pattern?
>> thanks-
>> Martha Johnson RN IBCLC
>> Eugene, Oregon
>> PS--Isn't our weather AWFUL?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Hafner-Eaton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:45 PM
>> Subject: gas as dr's reason to give formula
>>
>>
>> Ready for this one?  I've been swamped lately and I'm going in for major
>> repair surgery on Friday (5/12)...here's the latest.  I have been seeing
a
>> mom whose baby lost about 9% of bw and has been slow to regain.  At 14
> days,
>> the ped told mom that wt gain was too slow so she'd better supplement
with
>> formula in a Platex nurser no less.  Mom called me and said that baby
> wasn't
>> a good nurser and only fed for 5 minutes, then fell asleep. I examined
mom
>> and baby at 21 days.  This is a full term, otherwise seemingly healthy
> baby.
>> Mom appears to have ample milk supply and already was using breast
>> compression, although no one had instructed her to do so (this is baby
> #2).
>> Upon examination, it appeared as though mom's assessment was correct.
She
>> added that baby hated the bottle and spit the nipple out (smart baby).
> Oral
>> exam and suck assessment showed baby had shallow palette and strong gag
>> reflex, plus tongue thrusting.  I discuss infant massage with all new
>> parents, but esp with slow gainers or hypertonic and "colic" cases.  When
> I
>> was demonstrating the "I Love You" pattern on the tummy, this baby was
> chock
>> full of tiny gas bubbles.  As it turns out, mom has thought baby had
>> terrible gas, but couldn't get burps out.  I recommended simethicone (in
>> particular, I use Phazyme because it lacks red dye).  Mom just
> called...The
>> baby's been actually passing the gas, as well as productively burping.
> The
>> baby is chowing down like there's no tomorrow.  This baby was filling up
>> with little air bubbles and had no room for milk.  We still have some
> latch
>> work to do (the bottles have exacerbated the tongue thrust), but I am
>> furious that this doc never even investigated the possibility and just
>> pushed the formula and even recommended this type of bottle/nipple.  This
> is
>> an MD who calls himself bf-friendly too.  Thanks for listening to my
>> (latest) rant!
>> Warmly,
>> -- Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC    [log in to unmask]
>>
>

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