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Hi Judy,

Nice to get a closer look at your way of practicing. Indeed, very different from mine. I do get a complete picture of how well a baby is doing, how well (or not) he is feeding, how changes in management and positioning change his behavior, his well-being and his moms'. I don't use weighing to reach this. I just use the weight-lists from the well baby-clinic visits (which is used by up to 98% of Dutch moms, I guess, and are pretty accurate mostly) and plot them into the WHO standards. I feel that the weight evolution, the picture one might say, says more (to me at least) than the actual numbers. I ''don't do numbers'' to charge it a bit. I do do a decent mouth evaluation, breast evaluation and feeding evaluation and take an extended history. I think instead of numbers I look at pictures: of what was, what is and what might or ought to be. It works for me and my clients, I guess.

Warmly,

Gonneke, IBCLC in PP, LC lecturer


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Subject: Re: [LACTNET] weighing in
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Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 5:36 AM

 
Gonneke writes:

Could  this have to do with were a LC ''comes from''? I have no health care 
 background, but a teaching and a BF counselor (LLL) one.In my view 
lactation  counseling is not health care, but counseling and  teaching.



Hi Gonneke and all,
 
It would seem that where an IBCLC practices does have a lot to do with what 
 is considered common practice. I mean this both geographically and  
philosophically. We still have at least one very busy IBCLC who doesn't bring a  
scale to home visits.  Most other IBCLCs near me do.  I find  weight 
information helpful as part of a thorough assessment that goes far beyond  the 
weight alone.  Weight tells me a reliable starting point, one which I  have 
noticed by testing it myself, is often not reliable when coming from the MD  
office. I've seen differences of up to 7 ounces (210 g) once in a local  
pediatrician's office between my scale( which I check to be well calibrated  often) 
and the doctor's office scale, within 5 seconds of time. Scales there can  
be old, and not very precise, can be used improperly (not zeroing in  
between babies), and can be used without reliability, since MD visits are around  
the MD's schedule. Baby may be weighed in a full diaper, having just nursed, 
at  one visit or have been recently changed, and not having eaten for 2-3 
hours.  Since I rarely see mothers who are not having fairly serious feeding 
issues, I  want to know how much does the baby weight today, before a 
feeding, how much do  they weigh after, how long did it take them to get what they 
got, and how did  they handle it. I also look at the mother's perception 
and physical sensation  and appearance of the nipple/breast to see how the 
feeding went as  well. We talk about the baby's behavior and how it "matches" 
or doesn't with  what the scale is saying and why that might be. Even though 
I use the  scale, I do not overemphasize its information alone. I help 
parents  understand what THEY can observe that will give them the information 
THEY need  to see how things are going as well. For some moms, though,  I guess 
 in  a sense, I am providing healthcare information because so often moms  
are not getting good information from their pediatrician. The information 
from  the scale can help me explain why a baby who "nurses all the time" or 
"nurses  for an hour" can still be losing weight or not getting enough to eat. 
It can  help me explain why when the MD  told the mom to "nurse more",  but 
did not actually assess if they baby was transferring any milk, it didn't  
help the poor baby who couldn't allow himself to sleep he was so hungry. It  
helped recently when I wanted to help parents understand that their baby's  
"little" tongue tie was actually having a big effect on feeding, when the 
little  guy fatigued out after removing less than 10g or 0.3 oz. ( and why  
this baby's bilirubin was dangerously high the week before, requiring  
rehospitalization and all manner of hospital stuff happening to him to get it  
down to a safe range again.) This was all the same family, and they "loved"  
their doctor because she was so nice. This large and popular pediatric  
practice is problematic for me, I admit it.  I think if I were helping  moms 
understand breastfeeding better,  checking in and doing anticipatory  guidance, 
or doing a little finessing to make things more comfortable for the  mom and 
baby, a weight at that visit wouldn't tell me anything I didn't  already 
know and might just make the mom anxious or over-reliant on the #s.  These, 
though, are not the nursing couples I've seen. It sounds like you live  
somewhere where someone knowledgeable is following this baby's weight and  overall 
health that you can rely on. Honestly, that sounds like a dream  world...:)
 
Peace,
Judy  

Judy LeVan  Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL
Brooklyn, NY,  USA
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