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At 12:00 AM 10/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 00:00:30 -0500
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>Subject: LACTNET Digest - 26 Oct 1996 to 27 Oct 1996
>To: Recipients of LACTNET digests <[log in to unmask]>
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>There are 14 messages totalling 256 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. meds and bf
> 2. Fitting in All Those Initials
> 3. Karen - hair dye, etc.
> 4. LACTNET: LACTNET Digest 26 Oct 1996
> 5. breastfeeding cards
> 6. Vomiting & Oestrogen
> 7. Congratulations to new IBCLCs
> 8. "this day sucked"
> 9. low bone density
> 10. calcitonin
> 11. contrast medium-pump & dump?
> 12. Printing out
> 13. about those exam results
> 14. IBCLC
>
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>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:14:00 -0400
>From: "Laurie Wheeler, RNC, MN, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: meds and bf
>
>In a message dated 96-10-26 20:06:24 EDT, Jay writes
><< What type of meds are used for kidney probs related to diabetes?
> Are any of these meds NOT ok for BF?
> If there are some that ARE ok with BF, what are they? >>
>Jay,
>I don't know the answer, but I do know I would counsel the mother to ask 1)
>are meds really necessary now? 2) are there other treatment options? 3) would
>closer monitoring suffice? - since you said she is asymptomatic 4) is this
>the only med for this condition? 5) can we find another/others that are bf
>compatible?
>I think these are the questions re meds that moms should be asking and dr's
>should respect how important bf is - moms should try to find a dr that does.
>What would the dr do if the mom was pg? Would she be told to abort so she
>could take the med? Why then are we so often told to wean?
>Off the soapbox,
>Laurie Wheeler, Rnc, Mn, Ibclc
>Violet LA
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:32:40 -0700
>From: "Donna Zitzelberger BSN, CLE" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Fitting in All Those Initials
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>Went to the security office yesterday to get a new work badge. The man who
>waited on me made a heroic effort to fit my very long name (with all those
>wonderful initials after it) onto a little badge. He did a great job!
>
>I'm extremely glad the wait is over and congratulate all other fellow new
>IBCLC LACTNETTERS!
>
>Donna Zitzelberger RN BSN IBCLC (and proud of it) !!!
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:40:11 +0000
>From: Patricia Young <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Karen - hair dye, etc.
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>I hope Dr. Tom can enlighten us on hair dye and perms. I've heard lots of
>"new wives" tales about perms not taking etc. during pg and BF. One that
>alarmed me the most was a mom in my group who swore that after her perm, her
>milk tasted like the perm smelled. Which makes sense when you think about
>the skin area the head offers for absorption into the system. (She pumped
>and dumped for a while!) Same idea would apply to hair dye, which has some
>nasty ingredients. Hope someone can enlighten us.
>Pat Young in SNJ, USA
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 07:57:25 EST
>From: Barbara Berges <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: LACTNET: LACTNET Digest 26 Oct 1996
>
>In defense of Jane Seymour, she may not even know that the "bottle" shots
>were included in the add, or that they were even done. If you notice,
>her face is not shown in the bottle segments. They could have shot them
>with another actress and other babies. Maybe the producers, directors
>or whoever decided they needed to "spice it up" and added the shots to
>the final version long after Jane's segments were shot. It is possible!!!
>
>Barb Berges, RN, IBCLC
>Rochester, New York
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:31:18 -0500
>From: "Linda J. Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: breastfeeding cards
>
>TO: UNICEF Media
>
>I received your catalog of Christmas cards, and was very dismayed to find not
>even ONE card with Mary breastfeeding baby Jesus. This, from an agency that
>supposedly supports breastfeeding? Please find one or more depicting
>breastfeeding and add it (them) to your collection.
>
>Linda Smith, BSE, FACCE, IBCLC
>Bright Future Lactation Resource Centre
>6540 Cedarview Ct
>Dayton OH 45459
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:34:18 GMT
>From: "Nan Jolly MD, LLL" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Vomiting & Oestrogen
>
>Oestrogen levels are generally low just before a period; they are highest at
>ovulation, then after a dip, rise about a week later to a lower peak, and fall
>again at the period. So surely it wasn't that that caused the baby to vomit?
>Perhaps PMT in mom led to anxiety and nausea in baby???
>
>>From Nan Jolly M.B. B.Ch. LLL Leader.
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:58:20 -0500
>From: "Linda J. Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Congratulations to new IBCLCs
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>Congratulations to all the new IBCLC's out there!
>
>Your hard work and patience with mothers and babies has resulted in your
WONDERFUL accomplishment! Hope to meet you ALL one day!
>
>Linda Smith, private practice, Dayton OH
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>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:18 +0100
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: "this day sucked"
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>>(And I still drive home muttering,"This day sucked".)_
>
>I once knew an "aggressive non-nurser" whose father finally perched her on
>his knee at 5 weeks and told her, "Look, sweetie, the whole world sucks.
>There's no reason you can't." Within days, she became a nursing baby.
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:22 +0100
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: low bone density
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>I'll be talking tomorrow night w/ a woman who's been advised to wean her 8
>mo old because of her own low bone density.
>
>She first became aware of the condition about 5 years ago. At this point,
>she has "the bones of a 70 year old woman," and her bone density has
>decreased dramatically over the past year.
>
>She has weaned the baby to 2 nursings per day, very reluctantly.
>
>What questions should I be asking? (What test numbers are pertinent? She
>says she's had lots of tests and can offer lots of numbers.) What studies
>do you know of that might support/refute the need to wean in her
>circumstances? I'm assuming that, at worst, she will be able to retain
>those 2 nursings/day. Am I right?
>
>How nice to be able to ask you all ahead of time, instead of after the fact!
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:01:37 +0100
>From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: calcitonin
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>The mother with low bone density will be taking calcitonin. Any info on it?
>
>Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY USA
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:49:31 -0500
>From: Dave and Lisa Logan <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: contrast medium-pump & dump?
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>Hello everyone and congratulations to all who passed the IBCLE!! I need to
>tap into your expert minds once
>again :). I just received a call from the hospital where I work about a mom
>who is nursing a three month old.
>This lady is scheduled for an endoscopy on Monday and an exploratory
>laparoscopy on Tuesday due to suspected
>gall bladder disease. The RN who called me said that the mother was told she
>needed to pump and dump her milk because of the contrast medium being used.
>Unfortunately no one seems to know what type of medium is to be used. All I
>have is the info presented in my old med-surg text which describes a
>cholecystogram being done to diagnose this problem which is different from
>an endo or lap. Has anybody worked with a mom with gall bladder disease? Are
>most contrast media (obviously not radioactive) safe with breastfeeding? I`m
>sorry I don`t have more details, but any advice would be helpful!
>
>TIA, Lisa Logan RNC,IBCLC
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:05:32 +1000
>From: Oscar <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Printing out
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>Have you tried printing something out, only to find that it would print a
>line, and then the end couple of words on the next line, then it wouln't
>print out anything, leaving a blank after the couple of words, and carry on
>the next line, doing the same thing for the rest of the document? We, my
>mother and I, have been printing things out on Lactnet for a couple of
>months, and we would find this happen. What we have been doing is cutting
>and pasting the bits out of the posts, into notepad, a trick I showed my
>mother. Today we tried printing something out, and it didn't do what is
>described above. It just printed out normally. Well, I figured out (due to
>some of the other circumstances as well) that this was because the person
>who typed that document didn't press the return when they were at the end of
>the line, and kept on typing through, letting the programm insert its own
>line breaks. What happens when you do this also, is that you can view the
>typed document on any sized window, and it will 'word wrap' the document so
>that you can still read it in its wholness. So, if you are ever typeing
>something out, make sure that you don't use the return key to end a line,
>just keep typing and the program will automatically enter the text on to the
>next line for you. If you do it, you will see what I mean.
>
>Hope to see you on the Lactnet.
>
>Ian and Mrs A Stolz
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 22:15:46 EST
>From: Regina C Lockyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: about those exam results
>
>I've thanked my local people.
>Kathleen Auerbach and Carol Ryan - High five sister women!
>Regina Lockyer CCE IBCLC
>Yes!
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 20:58:47 -0800
>From: Star & Glenn Siegfried <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: IBCLC
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>I guess I will also stand up for roll call.
>I PASSED..................... happiness
>thanks for allowing me this moment.
>Star Siegfried, R.N.,B.A., IBCLC
>
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