Hi Mary, I usually send off archives to those who request. I generally let
those who receive them sort through for the posts that apply to their needs.
This is my nipple cream archives. Hpoe they help. Linda
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:56:14 -0600From: "Dr. Tom Hale"
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Bag Balm and other Veterinary
Products
The veterinary product Bag Balm contains 0.3 percent of 8-Oxyquinolin
sulfate in petroleum and lanolin base. Although not overtly toxic to adults,
it was removed from the human market due to suggestions that it was
carcinogenic in laboratory animals. I don't think this product is
suitable for lactating women. Lets stick to the human products such as
Vaseline or lanolin if necessary.
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Texas Tech University School of Medicine
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:45:10 -0700From: Arly Helm <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Bag Balm
The active ingredient in Bag Balm is quinolone sulfate.
Quinolone antibiotics have been associated with joint problems in young animals.
I don't know if Bag Balm would be safe for ingestion by human infants.
Considering their small size and the relative inefficiency of the neonatal
liver and kidney (compared to adults), I have a concern about its use as a
nipple cream. What do the MD's on the list think?
Arly
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:19:25 -0500From: Diane Karnbach
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Subject: Re: Cracked cow nipples!
OK, let me first say that I am city born and raised so those of you from
farm areas may not find this as amusing as I did but it really got me chuckling!
The other day I was shopping in W____M____. There, on a big display, was a
product called Udder Cream. The label says it is for sore, cracked,
bleeding cow udders! What a hoot! L_n___h for cows! Does anyone know
anything about this stuff? I wouldn't be at all surprised to get a call
asking if it can be used on humans.
Diane Karnbach, LLLL
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:09:12 -0600From: "katherine a. dettwyler"
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Bag Balm
Bag Balm is the *famous* udder cream. Comes in a nice little green tin,
very decorative. Works great for cows, and on people's chapped hands. Not
recommended for breasts. Why did W--M--- have a big display? Is your area
big on dairying?
Kathy Dettwyler
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18:39:18 -0800From: Lauren Norton <[log in to unmask]> Subject:
Tea bags and sore nipples
I am looking for resources re sore nipple care, specifically any supporting,
or not, the use of tea bag compresses.
Can anyone help?
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22:39:09 +0800From: Keith Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Subject:
Re: Tea bags and sore nipples
Lauren Norton asked about references about tea bags for sore nipples. The
only one I have is a letter by Michele Schrob in JHL 8(4): 195-196, 1992,
where she says that they were being used at the hospital in which she
worked. She was also looking for references. The editor's note following her
letter mentions Riordan J "The effectiveness of topical agents in reducing
nipple soreness of breastfeeding mothers." JHL 1: 36-41, 1985, and also a
much older study of emollients for nipples from 1958. The 1985 study might
be worth looking at as it specifically included tea bags.
Joy Anderson IBCLC
Perth, Western Australia
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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:45:34 -0500From: JAMES HINSON
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Subject: Re: Tea bags and sore nipples
I have some concern regarding the use of tea bags for sore nipples. I have
heard some talk regarding a relationship between tea bag use and nipple yeast.
Since I have not seen any real evidence that tea bag use helps, I recommend
that mothers not use them.
Until I heard that they may contribute to nipple yeast infections, I neither
recommended or not-recommended use. I did not think they helped but did not
think they hurt. If there is a chance that they may contribute to a nursing
problem, I now have to suggest not using them.
Do any of you know of a possible relationship between tea bag use and nipple
yeast? The thought was that they wouldn't be used unless the nipple was
already damaged (yeast risk factor) and that the warm tea bags harbored
yeast which was then carried to the warm, damp, sweet breast.
Pardee Hinson, MPH, IBCLC
Charlotte, NC [log in to unmask]
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 09:12:53 -0500From: "Judy K. Dunlap, RNC,
IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Udder cream
In a message dated 95-10-31 21:17:19 EST, you write:
>The other day I was shopping in W____M____. There, on a big display, was a
>product called Udder Cream. The label says it is for sore, cracked, bleeding
>cow udders! What a hoot! L_n___h for cows! Does anyone know anything about
>this stuff? I wouldn't be at all surprised to get a call asking if it can be
>used on humans.
I expect it's the same as Bag Balm, which I have seen moms bring into the
hospital to use on their nipples. It has a list of chemical ingredients a
mile long, so I suggest they save it for the cows. :-)
Judy D in WV
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:10:27 -0500From: Margery Wilson
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Bag balm for "bags" (udders)
It has been nearly 20 years since I was in the dairy business (had herd of
Alpine goats) but yes, bag balm was what we used. Of course, my "ladies"
routinely lay with their teats on the ground, occasionally stepped on each
other's breasts, etc. Not what I see in my current population <g> .
Goldenseal was actually what we used more often to aid healing; bag balm was
helpful for our hands which were chapped by so much washing of dairy
equipment. (This was before hypoallergenic lanolin was available...)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:50:52 ESTFrom: "Jan L. Aken"
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Sore nipples, Silvadene??
Hi.
Someone asked me if you could use Silvadene Cream on very sore, damaged
nipples? I had no idea. I am not familiar with this medication, so does
anyone have any ideas?
Thanks,
Jan Aken
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:44:03 -0500From: "Patricia B. Drazin,
IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: silvadene
Jan:
silcadene is the trade name from silver sulfadiazine.....
sulfadiazine is and anti infective. excreted in milk in low
concentrations......reports of adverse effects on nursing infants is
rare...it is considered conpatable for maternal administration while bf
PROVIDING healthy full term neonate....
contents of silvadene cream are:white petrolatum, stearyl alcohol,
isopropyl myristata, sorbutan monooleae, poryoxyl 40 stearate, propylene
glycol, water methylaprabe (0.3% as a perservative) and 0.1% per 10 mg
micronzed silver suladiazine....
having said that why does she want to put this on her nipple? it is a
broad antimicrobial for both gram - and gram + bacteria and believed to ne
effective against yeast. It is water soluble so can be washed off......
Patricia
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:12:48 -0600From: "katherine a. dettwyler"
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: I thought Silvadene was for burns!
I once had a nasty steam burn (from the microwave) on my finger and was at
the pediatrician's office for one of the kids and she saw my bad burn and
prescribed silvadene for the burn. It works WONDERS -- the burn heal almost
overnight and didn't leave a scar, and it was a nasty burn. Gee, I learn
all sorts of things from LactNet!
Kathy D.
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:20:40 -0600From: "Dr. Tom Hale"
<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Silvadene
To: Jan Aken:
Re: Silvadene
Silvadene is a product that releases silver atoms, and sulfadiazine
into the lesion. Whereas is it very bacteriocidal, and wonderful for burns,
I do not think it is preferable for lesions on the nipple. If it were
washed off prior to feeding, it would probably be fine. However,
absorption of sulfonamides in the neonatal period can cause
jaundice(kernicterus) is newborn infants, and sulfa allergies in infants.
We don't need these.
I would suggest other topicals antibacterials such as Bactroban, or
Polysporin-like products, that are poorly absorbed from the gut and a lot
cheaper.
Tom Hale
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Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Texas Tech University School of Medicine
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