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I'm constantly being thanked for putting porn up on youtube.  The porn 
in question being Jack Newman's latch videos.  I'm usually being thanked 
by 16 year old boys, and I find it amusing.  One day, they will blush 
when their babies are being breastfed!  But it's darker much of the time.

I'm also constantly being attacked by fundamentalists for putting child 
porn on the internet.  That's the breastfeeding toddlers.  In fact, a 
campaign was started in order to force YouTube to remove the 
breastfeedingbabies channel as it was pornography involving babies and 
children.  Thankfully, YouTube have never even mentioned this craziness, 
and I just have to keep deleting the torrent of abuse and death 
threats.  And the non-stop outpourings of graphic detail of how often 
people jacked off to a latch video (not 16 year old boys).  Spend a 
couple of months on YouTube, and you get a sense of how dark and 
unbalanced the world is in places.  And how utterly deep seated misogyny 
is - fear and hatred of women's bodies.   Not to mention hatred of 
babies and children.

Many parents put up videos of their baby breastfeeding, and remove them 
a day or two later, shocked and horrified by what they then read.

Although I don't know how the man who was reporting "La Teta" to the FBI 
for child porn got on.  After all, he was reporting the Puerto Rican 
Government for child porn, as it was a health education broadcast.  So 
perhaps the FBI arrested Puerto Rico...? 

The fascinating thing is that Breastfeeding Toddlers has campaigns of 
outrage and abuse - and La Teta barely a murmur.  La Teta has far more 
breasts, and far more playing with breasts, as it's toddler's tweaking.  
But La Teta is 'official'?  Or is it that La Teta is professionally 
produced in a studio?  Oh how I'd like to know why they react to one and 
not the other!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=942FRjAJhxU   (La Teta)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgZn8OXA9Q  (Breastfeeding Toddlers)

On Breastfeeding Toddlers, ignorance of children in so endemic, I've 
been accused of showing a video with a 5, 7 and 10 year old child.  
She's 22 months.  I also had an amazing rant from a  mother who 
breastfed until 18 months, but anything past that was obscene, and the 
child in the video should be removed by protective services.  Ah yes, 
that well know leap in sexual awareness between 18 and 22 months....   
It is interesting how many women who have breastfed, come on and attack 
others for breastfeeding past when they gave up.  This has ranged from 3 
months, to 3 years.  That well known tick of the clock, from 11.59, to 
12 midnight, that signals that breastfeeding at 11.59pm is healthy, but 
that at 12 midnight, it's obscene.  Tick tock... tick tock... tick...

My favourite one this week, was a man who asked me to remove the 
channel, as his children lie about their age and surf the porn sites, 
and look at nipples on the latch videos.  So could we please remove 
them?  Double think R'US.  (Or, No Responsibility R'Us)

On the lovely Neptune Fountain.  In the following art installation 
video, there is a wonderful shot, with lovely music, of the Neptune, and 
another fountain with the same image - a mother with milk/water flowing 
from her breasts.  The video is 'off', and weird, and some find the 
sexual motifs afterwards, with the milk and cream, offensive.  
Personally, I think I like what she was getting at, but she just didn't 
do it very well.  Again, this idea that all images of the body is 
sexual, and therefore porn, arose recently.  When others looked at this 
woman's artistic attempts to discuss Woman As Porn, and declared it... 
porn.   *sigh*  No, just not very good art.  But the actual montage 
sequence, is lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I9s_dbXQM   (Got Milk, God Milk)

Anyone know where the second fountain is?

On the subject of glamorous women being seen breastfeeding, there are 
three very famous pictures, which I can't track down right now.  One is 
Lucy Lawless (Xena) breastfeeding her baby.  One is Jerry Hall.  One is 
an equally famous in the modelling world, but I don't know her name, 
model, actually breastfeeding on set, in between takes on a fashion 
shoot in Paris.  The value of these images, is not that of sexualising 
breastfeeding, but that women whose income and fame depend on their body 
shape, can breastfeed without threatening their livelihood.   And yes, 
are empowering in the message that you can be glamorous and breastfeed, 
in the  same way as the "Be A Star" campaign does.

There are videos of Tyra Banks and Eva Herzigova breastfeeding on TV: 
Tyra with a doll, Eva with her baby. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvgt2Agsgqw  (Tyra with Doll)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP-nc4Z7Ecg&NR=1  (Eva with Baby)

I suppose I must carve out a few days and do this dam blog on Breasts 
And Iconography!!!!  :-)

Morgan Gallagher



Marianne Vanderveen-Kolkena wrote:
> Nice fountain, Christine!
> I googled (for images) 'fountain neptune' first and then 'fountain 
> neptune bologna' and there it was.
> I would definitely take a couple of really good pictures, if I were to 
> encounter such a beautiful piece of artwork.
>
> "Christine Bodin" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Our society is just so odd about lactation. On the same mothering 
>> forum in which the coffee shop story was told there was another, 
>> recent thread about a fountain in Italy where the water sprays out of 
>> the woman's nipples. They gave a link to a cute, cropped photo of the 
>> woman from the breasts up. I did a google search so that I could see 
>> the whole fountain (there are actually four spraying women at the 
>> base of Neptune) and learn its proper name and I came across a few 
>> sites discussing the fountain. One was a site for photographers and 
>> the comments were what I would call "normal" such as "Ha! That's 
>> something many mothers can relate to!" Another site, though, was a 
>> tourist blog where the man couldn't really believe that he was seeing 
>> such wonderful "porn" right there in public, "I love Europe!" he 
>> proclaimed.

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