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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: [LACTNET] there are two "Cafes'
**Hello all,
> There's the "Baby Cafe" that is a Charitable Trust organization in the UK.
> You can't organize anything under that name without their permission and
> their blessings. It's their concept.
> <http://www.thebabycafe.co.uk/index.html>
**With all due respect... can someone or some organisation really claim two
very normal words (breastfeeding and cafe) and say that you cannot organise
something with the aim of bringing breastfeeding mothers together and make
it a more normal, societal thing to breastfeed, without their 'blessing'...?
What if others come up with a somewhat different concept because that fits
their environment better and nevertheless want to make clear what the
gathering is for? Would they have to use a new name? And then they also say
it is their concept an noone else can call his or her initiatives 'mama
cafe' or 'motherchild cafe' or 'breastfeeding pub' or whatever...? :-s
Why not be happy, that people want to join in the idea of promoting
breastfeeding like this? We often talk about the uselessness of constantly
reinventing the wheel. Why not apply that thought to this? You cannot force
people in very different surroundings, I think, to use the same concept. All
societies and health care systems are different. It may not even be possible
to fully copy the concept, because the whole system is different. That
shouldn't mean you cannot organise something like this.
> There's the "Breastfeeding Cafe" that is based on a book of the same name
> and is more loosely organized. They would like any group using the name to
> base it on the book's concept and for you to tell them how you used it. I
> don't think they have the same mandate as the first group does. But WE
> have our own mandate in our Code of Ethics to do it their way if we use
> their name - the book IS copyrighted.
> <http://www.breastfeedingcafe.com/>
**A book may be copyrighted; language is not, though, and neither is
breastfeeding in a cafe. I do think it is wonderful that people come up with
ideas. Here, on this list, we come from all over the world. That an
organisation creates a 'baby cafe' is great, but in other countries, people
may not even know about that. They won't compare the one to the other. I
think in general, the idea is clear: a place where mothers and babies are
welcome to share their experience with breastfeeding. Let's not put the
whole world into rules and regulations and obligations and try and prohibit
good initiatives...
I'm not dismissing the concept; I just think we should act according to the
spirit, not to the letter.
Warmly,
Marianne Vanderveen, Netherlands (with no commercial interest in any kind of
cafe either, but also wondering if it might work around here, where
volunteer mother groups are getting smaller and smaller...)
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