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Subject: LACTNET Digest - 3 Dec 2000 (#2000-1365)
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Topics of the day:
1. suck problem
2. nursing strike
3. frustration
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:49:56 -0500
From: Peg Merrill <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: suck problem
I could really use some input on this case. I started working with a mom 7
weeks postpartum because her milk supply had dropped and baby was coming off
the breast and not nursing as long. I at first suspected Stage 2 OMER after
talking with the mom, but after seeing the baby nurse it appears to be more
a sucking problem that wasn't picked up. Baby was makeing clicking sounds,
and when I commented on it Mom said that baby had been clicking in the
hospital. One of the nurses heard it and said "I don't know why she's
making that clicking noise, but at least she's latched, maybe that's just
her nursing style." So mom left the hospital thinkging that clicking was
normal. Baby made the same noise with a pacifier and with the bottle. She
has gained 2 lbs so mom thought everything was fine until she suddenly
stopped getting as much milk when whe pumped.
When I saw the baby her tongue kept going to the roof of her mouth. It
was hard to get it to come down and out. She gagged with my finger only a
little way into her mouth. Even gagged wtih the Avent bottle that mom had
been using incorrectly(not putting it in her mouth all the way). I started
her pumping and on both Fenugreek and Blessed Thistle (a milk enhancement
kit by Garden of Grace Herbs). Taught her to do suck training and the
walking down the tongue exercise. Baby was still going to the breast, but
wouldn't stay long, so I tried a mini-SNS which works fine for awhile. Three
days later with parents regularly working on getting baby to open her mouth
and on suck training things really aren't much better. MOms milk supply
doesn't seem to be increasing except "slightly" and feedings with the
supplementer are taking 1 1/2 hours just to get her to take 2 ozs. The baby
usually nurses well in the morning side lying in bed, and also nursed well
in the bath tub. But mom can't do every feeding in bed or in the tub. and
she is getting frustrated, as most feedings are difficult. I tried a
Haberman feeder with her yesterday and the baby sucked well on the middle
notch, but not on the short one - she started gagging and crying.
Any ideas on where to go from here? I have never had a case this bad
before. How long should I expect it to take the baby to learn how to suck,
and what else can I do to increase moms milk supply???. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated. THanks.
Peg Merrill, B.S.,IBCLC, LLLL(retired), CCE. Doula, etc...,
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:52:27 -0500
From: Ruth Witters-Green <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: nursing strike
Regarding mom who went back to work as physical therapist -
Do mom & baby co-sleep? If not, would she consider it? This would give them
more time together & likely a better night's sleep for Mom. Could also
change baby's nursing patterns so he eats more at night & early morning.
Also, what about trying to pump a small amount before feed in case strong
MER is causing discomfort for baby?
Ruth - I am basing this on my own experience & lots of research -- but I am
not a lactation consultant!
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:57:17 EST
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: frustration
Chris:
while agreeing in principle, lactnet is also a place for us to discuss our
frustrations one to give voice to them and two- to get assistance from our
collegues and comrades, including the physicians among us, on how to best
work through these issues..
I had a discssion with a physician this week regarding his patient whom he
told not to bf while she was frebrile.. although agreeing with me that the
germs mom was exposed to were present before she was symptomatic and that
the
baby would be getting antibodies from the milk he none the less informed me
that he does not want to any chances and does not want women with fevers to
breastfeed.. it will only be a couple of days you know...
While you certianly practice differently and Jack would say ARGH>>>>> I am
left wanting to bash my head against the wall until I find a way to either
convience him that maybe this is not in his patients interest or see enough
of his patients to convience them to disregard him - certianly not a
prefered
option but ...
I am open to suggestions..
Patricia
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