Hi Robert/All You mention an interest in getting swarm boxes. A number of cheap alternatives exist. 1 - Ammo crates. Befriend you local army base and see about doing a bee demo in exchange for a few M16 ammo boxes. Our South African made R1 Rifle is similar as far as ammo goes and these crates take three frames perfectly, have a lid and handles, are plastic and robust etc. Just paint the inside with dirty wax and propolis mixed together and put wax strips on the frames. Hang in sun facing corner of a building. 2 - milk, beer etc crates. Check the sizes of plastic crates used for packing - many are the same dimensions as a frame. Much easier and cheaper to sort out as hive bodies than buying things. And the best is just to buy a new box, or boxes for your established hives. Move them into the new boxes and leave the old BEEn in boxes for the swarms. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis 6139 South Africa Time = Honey The Universe is not here right now, if you would like to leave a message, leave your name and number after the long silence and it will get back to you as soon as possible.