Have had all the success I need raisinfg drones with foundationless frames. Also always use medium size so they will fit my msh/mash of brood chamber sizes (still culling out deeps). When placed in a deep box the bees just extend it below the bottom board. Of course you don't try this with a cup full of bees. I have a whole box of drone foundation setting in my shed, it's been there a couple years since I found it's use a waste of time and expense. Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 [log in to unmask] tel. 603-883-6764 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]