In a message dated 97-07-08 19:48:31 EDT, you write: << REMOVING BEE STINGS: SPEED MATTERS, METHOD DOESN'T (pp 301-02) >> Maybe they did not ask any beekeepers who just rub the sting out with whatever is handy- hiv tool trouser leg what have you and puff a bit of smoke to hide the alarm scent and go back to what they are doing.