Hi all, Just an aside, I think that if you want to plant for bees (or a great many other insects for that matter) trees win just about every time. One good mature tree (aye there's the rub) will yield equivalent to something like an acre of wildflowers. A small copse of suitable trees is a (relative) goldmine. Bye for now. -- Gordon Scott [log in to unmask] 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter [log in to unmask] ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK