I approved this post to drive home the post about excessive quotes. I don't know how to get across the point that one does not need to repeat the post to which they are responding. Karen's post was 4 lines. 4 LINES. It dragged along two screens of yesterday's news. PLEASE, ALL POSTERS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT BAGGAGE IS NECESSARY. This is not Beesource, I keep the bar high, why do posters resist? Is my guideline to minimize quotes unreasonable? Aaron Morris - Owner/Editor/Moderator On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Pruiett, Karen S <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I have been keeping bees in East Central IL for 40 years, and worked as > the bee technician at the UI Beelab for Gene Robinson for 10 years. I am > now officially a lurker since Aaron didn't see that a couple of my > responses passed his inspection to post. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > On Nov 10, 2016 12:30 PM, Charles Linder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I find it more difficult to even read what appears on Bee-L, as I am both > forced to feed excessively due to warmer and longer Indian Summers each > year, and I am ramping up for the Christmas season, where we add beeswax > gift items > > James, great thoughts, but get your priorities straight! Reading a bee-l > post is always more fun than a Holiday fair! > > > > To this actual topic though, I have given much consideration lately. Even > several offline discussions. The question is "what is bee-l now and what > do you want it to be? With a secondary question of who is "the you" in the > previous statement. > > Looking at bee-l there are 5-7 major posters and maybe a dozen minor ones, > and hundreds (Aaron may chime in) of lurkers. My question is why are they > lurkers, and the answer to that is simple (based on MANY conversations > with > lurkers who are good friends) the vast majority is intimidation. Most are > intimidating by the main names here, and scared of looking uninformed. > I see many of the same friends posting regularly on BS, and joining the > conversation there, but here they are silent. Sometimes its because they > don't understand friendly debate, other times our replies, even well > intentioned ones come off wrong. Such as a recent comment to me. I > completely understood it, but to a reader I was chided for a dumb comment. > > So the question is, should this be a place for casual discussion as well > as > "informed debate" on Science? Where is the line? Should one need a degree > in Biology to be able to discuss? What is the goal and future for Bee-l? > I see the number of researchers in the bee field going up, but > participation here dropping? How do we get researchers to come and ask > about what beekeepers need and want? How do we get newbies to get involved > in discussion? > > Fully understanding Randy and Peters point about not wanting to be > teachers, > but "informed discussion" but with todays email and communication so easy, > is that really the point of a bulletin board? > > Like it or not, I may be able to argue with Randy and Pete on some level, > but bee biology at their level is out of the question. Does that mean I am > not qualified to argue the theory? Those are questions that need to be > addressed to determine what happens here. > > Personally, I am grateful that most of you tolerate and participate in > discussion, especially when you think I am wrong! Without that debate > there is no point to reading here. How do we encourage more? Or do we?? > Some may recall Christina and I debating epigenetic at length a while back. > I learned more in that discussion that I can relate, even though we still > disagree on some parts of it! Without some of my "dumber" comments, we > would not have gotten Richards great explanation on partial kill theory and > resistance. Luckily I have thick skin..... > > Right now we come of as argumentive and dismissive to a lot of folks, good > bad or ugly, its reality. To promote more discussion we need to drag in > some others inputs and topics... And no, I don't know how to accomplish > that, or if its even welcome. That's the question that really needs > addressed in my opinion. > > I do realize we don't want some of the nonsense that goes on in BS, but do > we really want to only be at a doctorate level discussion? > > > Charles > > *********************************************** > The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned > LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: > http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html > > *********************************************** > The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned > LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: > http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html > *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html