>Until proper, thorough and independent research has been done it would be wise to abandon the use of neonicotiniods. Chris, this sort of opinion does not add to our discussion on an "informed" list. Much "proper, thorough, and independent" research has been done, and is currently being done. Those in whom we have entrusted the job of thoroughly reviewing such research have come to the conclusion that this class of insecticides can generally be considered to be "reduced risk" to both humans, off target species, and the environment as a whole. They are certainly not without their problems, as with planting dust, foliar sprays, or landscape uses. I suggest that instead of calling for a complete abandonment of their use, that instead we intelligently call for more restricted use, where they have been clearly demonstrated to be more benign than the insecticides that they replaced. -- Randy Oliver Grass Valley, CA www.ScientificBeekeeping.com *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm