Hello Peter & All, The simple answer to your post would be that when I control varroa I do not have a virus problem. Only do I see a P.M.S. problem when varroa loads approach threshold. Do others on the list see the same thing? Interesting that all the buzz about "Kashmir Virus hits B.C. Bees" being published in bee mags & Speedy Bee completely looks past varroa as part of the problem but only a method of spread. The beekeepers grapevine points to those bees having varroa problems and PMS ( real problem and not the Kashmir virus). I am only passing on information told to me and possibly not accurate so maybe I should not even post as I am not on the front line in B.C.. Comments? Maybe Allen Dick will comment as many U.S. beekeepers are puzzeled by Paul Vanwestendorp placing the blame directly on the Kashmir virus and not varroa. It is my opinion and of several other beekeepers that if varroa was controlled in those BC hives the Kashmir virus would disappear but what do we know. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::