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Charles Linder <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:42:12 -0500
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"In my opinion, they are being misleading when they say that the binding is
fully reversible.  In the lab, yes.  In nature???  Not likely, given that
the displacement kinetics are completely unnatural.  Those metabolites
aren't going to be found in a normal synapse, and there isn't anything else
except ACh in there to compete with [Imidacloprid]."

But the impact must be admitted to be difficult to assess, and hard evidence
of tangible effects on colonies has not yet appeared.  It could well be that
bees just don't live long enough under even ideal conditions to show the
effects, and won't show any evidence in anything but one of those "tented
colony" studies, where each and every bee that falls can be collected,
counted, and post-mortemed.  This is essentially the same thing as "no
impact", except for the minor detail of how the chemistry actually works at
the synapse, something that needs to be better-understood, if not for this
pesticide, then for the next one. 




James!  I am surprised,  you had to dig deep to find that!  With all due
respect to Christinas  opinion,   Lets read her statement.

My opinion
In a lab yes,
Not likely,
Difficult to assess
It could be
And not but not least,  something that needs to be better understood.....


I am no Scientist,  I have never played one on TV,  but that statement your
using as a club  is made out of nothing........

Again,  no  disrespect to her opinion,  its well worthy of consideration,
but to base a debate on a 2 year old maybe they lied statement, coming from
you, well frankly  its one of the oddest things I have read lately.


Charles

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