On 2023/02/12 6:34 pm, Karleen Gribble wrote:

> Hi Frank,
> Not being American, I don't have First Amendment rights but I am quite
> comfortable with the suitability of the case study paper and the way
> in which we wrote it. The woman's whose experience it describes could
> not write it and publish it herself as, given her previous experience
> with child protection, she cannot afford not to be anonymous. And that
> is something that I find regularly in my work with very marginalised
> mothers, including those who are in gaol or who interact with the
> child protection system. They don't have a voice unless someone is
> willing to share their experiences. I recently had the experience
> where I shared on Twitter about getting a call from a case worker
> regarding a woman who was 36 weeks pregnant, in gaol with 2 months
> left on her sentence and had just had her application to the
> mother-baby unit in the gaol rejected. She was told she could express
> milk and send it to the baby. People responded with horror as if this
> was an unusual occurrence, not realising that what was unusual was not
> a new mother with weeks left on her sentence being refused permission
> to have her baby with her but that a case worker had contacted me on
> her behalf and I had made her situation visible. As for moderation, I
> am one the listmothers of Lactnet and at this point, I am OK with
> people name calling etc if that is the only way they are prepared to
> engage with the paper. I think that shutting down the conversation
> would be detrimental. No one benefits if difficult issues cannot be
> discussed.
> Karleen GribbleAustralia
> Date:    Sat, 11 Feb 2023 14:28:43 +0000
> From:    "Frank J. Nice" 
> Subject: First Amendment
> 
> Well, Karleen, so much for First Amendment rights for you to speak up.
> I thought just being a citizen of our country guaranteed those rights
> and not having to be a member of some community to be able to speak
> out.
> Where are the monitors of this sight allowing the vitriol occurring?
> I have gotten in trouble for saying a lot less worse in the past than
> what is being said about you.
> I have a feeling we will hear something now.  I hope so.
> 
> Frank J. Nice, RPh, DPA, CPHP
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