> >If we applied IPM to ourselves, we would stop vaccinations and wait for
> the
> diseases to develop.
>
> I do not think that is a valid argument.  Vaccinations do not impact
> beneficials or the environment.
>

I agree.   In addition,  seed treatment is not like a vaccination, because
it is not stimulating the immune system of the plant.  It is more like the
scenario of feeding low level antibiotics as a preventative.   We know what
that leads to,  resistance.   Similarly,  using neonicotinoids on the
majority of cropland constantly, will undoubtedly lead to resistance.   I
expect this is the reason the companies are now applying for higher residue
allowances,   more active ingredient is now becoming necessary.

I would also point out regarding the discussion of more active ingredient
being applied when a foliar spray is used than a seed treatment:  The
neonicotinoids were engineered to have a long half life in the environment
because they were designed as systemics.  They are a poor choice as a
foliar spray.  But I do not think that should be an insurmountable problem,
  and if the ban in Europe remains, and if Ontario is an indication on how
other jurisdictions head in North
America regarding neonic use,  I expect to see some new generation foliar
sprays come on the market.

Randy asked about farmer opinion:
The National Farmers Union approved the following resolution at the
National Annual Convention, Nov. 28-30, 2013:

"Therefore be it resolved that the NFU will lobby the federal Health Canada
for an immediate five year moratorium on the use of the neonicotinoid class
of pesticides in seed treatments for field crops. "

you can read more at:

http://www.nfu.ca/search/node/neonicotinoids

There are a few beekeepers in the NFU (I am one), but the vast majority are
crop and livestock farmers.

Stan

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