Jon Johanning wrote: >Bob K. wrote: > >>IIRC (I mean it this time!) there used to be a 'breve', which was twice the >>length of a whole note and looks something like a whole note with vertical >>lines on either side of it. > >You're right. Nowdays it's only seen in scores of *very* early music. One can also see it in Brahms, in the motet "Lass dich nur nichts nicht dauren mit Trauren." and in some editions of the b minor mass of Bach, you will find them at the end of the Dona nobis pacem. Kevin Sutton