Andrew Carlan <[log in to unmask]> tell us about poor Nielsens and Beethovens: >Poor Beethoven, he really did want to share love both as Eros and agape. >His whole life was a search for the right musical expression of this love >of women and mankind. The Ninth is a noble failure. For Beethoven it is >maudlin and the last movement embarrassingly trite. Not read Susan MacClary? >Then he really heard Bach and Handel and found his language. It began >with the Eighth Symphony. Take notice he composed the Eight before the Ninth. >Although the Eighth is late, it is one of the shortest, because it is >compressed and built on gestures rather than fully developed themes. That is exactly why I like the 8. so much, just for, and poor Beethoven would turn in his grave when I say it; he composed like an aristocrat. Like Glinka. I have just listened to the 8. so many times that I can hardly stand it anymore - the same goes for Ludwig 3 and van Beethoven 6. What do you think after the 150. listening? >The second and third periods overlap. The Ninth Symphony looks back. >The Beethoven symphony collapses in on itself. In the Eighth, Beethoven >took his symphonies as far as they could go. No one since has produced >a symphony as full of power and meaning so concisely as the Eighth. That would be true for me if I could dedice for that I finally fully understand the 9. >Andrew E. Carlan >Speaking up for Nielsen James Zehm <[log in to unmask]> Looking down on Nielsen ;-)