James Tobin wrote: >Hitler may have liked Beethoven, but Beethoven assuredly would not have >liked Hitler. to which replied Bill(Y) K: >Oh, "hold on" What was the Eroica's" first title?? The "Napoleon"?? IIRC Beethoven had originally planned to dedicate symphony 3 to Napoleon and call it simply 'Bonaparte'. But his idealization of the young leader was shattered when Napoleon delared himself Emperor (in 1804?) and flew into a rage and tore up the original title page. Now of course sym 3 is subtitled 'Eroica' and 'composed to celebrate the memory of a great man'. Presumably, since Napoleon was still alive, it was the memory of his greatness & heroic qualities of times past Beethoven sought to celebrate. Bob K.