You people sound like a bunch of old women!! On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:05:08 -0600 "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline" <[log in to unmask]> writes: >ANDY IF YOU POSSIBLY HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOVE LETTER FROM >KATHY YOU ARE >PROBABLY GETTING WARM FUZZES ABOUT NOW FROM THE LETTER I SENT YOU >YOU ARE A MUCH LARGER A$$HOLE THAN YOU GIVE YOURSELF CREDIT FOR." >IMHO" MAYBE YOU >SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER LIST TO SUBSCRIBE TO~~~~~~~~~ttyl~~~~~~ >the bee cop with the badge and in some >areas a gun dressed in his green >suit. > >Andy Nachbar wrote: > >> Hello Kathy and thanks for the Love Letter, I am sorry that you have >such a >> low personal opinion of my posts and I am sure you are not alone. I >will >> try to do better in the future as I surely do not know it all and >have room >> for some improvement in my life. >> >> I will make a few points since I have rung your bell I might as well >add to >> your lists of personal grievances. If you are not interested you are >free >> and welcome to add me to your reader's byte bucket list and should >do it >> now before reading any farther. >> >> (EXIT NOW) >> >> 1st and most important I have always been up front with what I post >and I >> always try to impress all readers that what I post is "in my own >humble >> opinion" (IMHO), and what I write should not be taken as anything >more then >> the Bee Gospel according to my own experiences from a lifetime >within the >> Beekeeping Industry and in my own beehives and many others. I am >sure >> other's may have done the time but I would not expect them to have >the same >> opinion's or express them in the same style as I do, if at all, >that's life.. >> >> I do pride myself on being honest and truthful in what I say but >admit that >> I use a style of writing that I hope makes other's think and in no >way is >> intended to do any more then cause all to read what I write. I do >not write >> the politically correct post as anyone can see. It may be seen as >> aggressive by some, but other's take a certain amount of pride to >have been >> the subject of one of my so called report's and some do make changes >> because of them and many of these victims are in real life >considered my >> friends. Maybe it is a painful learning process which is the norm >when >> working with bees or the Internet. Everyone who read's what I write >is free >> to e-mail any challenge to what I post and they do and I have at >times >> admitted I was wrong in my opinion's which have not been cast in >stone or >> handed down from above. >> >> Some feeling and ego's do get bruised but that is the nature of this >thing >> we call language and the impersonal nature of the Internet's news >groups, >> list mail, and e-mail,.. most experienced readers and posters do not >and >> should not take what anyone write's as personal. I am sorry for >those who >> do shed a tear because they felt they were personally attacked and >can only >> say to them it's a two way street of experience and if anyone feels >they >> were personally offended they are free here to express their own >opinions. >> A common mistake that we all make and that is reading something into >> other's post that was not intended by the sender. I do not have time >for >> personal fights or personal attack's in my life's work, but know >that my >> style of writing can be the subject of mis interpretation by those >who may >> read what I write, not all do as many do not like long winded posts >or >> posts that ramble, both are the norm for me, and all are welcome not >to >> read them. >> >> I don't expect many to agree with what I write and yet every week I >am >> asked for permission to use what I have written in one way or >another and >> this gives me the warm fuzzes but also does surprise me and I have >without >> effort, other then what is required to make a post, became one the >most >> quoted beekeepers on the world wide net. I don't know if this is >good, but >> for sure many want to read what I have to say and are not turned off >by how >> I say it and find my effort's worthwhile or they would not be making >the >> efforts to add my words to their own web pages, newsletter's, real >> newspaper's, books, and other not so friendly places. >> >> Anyway I am in no way offended when other's don't agree with me >personally >> and welcome and encourage all to express their own opinions and I do >not >> judge anyone because he or she has expressed a differing opinion or >do I >> try to belittle those who ask questions as I found out a long time >ago the >> only bad question is the one that was not asked and believe it or >not I >> learn by what other's ask. I have personally set up a "auto >responder" for >> new bee's who want some basic information and it is well used to the >point >> that I seldom mention it as it costs me dearly, but thankfully >others have >> followed my lead and several "auto responders" are now installed on >the >> Internet for beekeeper's use. >> >> I also believe that "if you can do it better then I, then have at >it!". I >> personally plan on continuing with my own efforts as long as I am >able as I >> have a lot to say and have just began to say it. >> >> >I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you did the right things, >if >> >anything you erred to the side of caution and IMHO, that is a good >> >thing. >> >> What was that you say, someone may have errored.., IMHO it was one >error >> that so many beekeepers, new and old make, and that is looking to >> government to solve a common everyday beekeeping problem. >> >> >As for Andy Nachbaur's other comments about "Afro Bee Slash and >Burn" >> >"quarantine boss with star and gun at the ready"; it appears to me >that >> >Andy has some problem with the current method of quarantine being >used >> >in this country to attempt to stop/slow the spread of african >honeybees >> >> Yes, this includes ALL US bee quarantines which have done nothing to >stop, >> slow down or cure any beekeeping problem and in fact have ruined the >lives >> of so many good beekeepers and their families who were no different >from >> anyone else on this earth other then to have been the victims of the >zeal >> of others. At least one death can be pointed out as a direct result >of one >> of the bee quarantines though not from a gun shot or bee stings but >a >> broken heart and many others have suffered such a degree of damage >that no >> amount of liberal rhetoric can ever make them whole again or will I >ever >> personally forgive those whom I know were responsible or those in >positions >> of responsibility who did nothing but fan the fires knowing all >along that >> it was wrong. The US bee quarantines have been so bad that even the >US >> government agency that was responsible for them now uses them as an >example >> of what not to do in their internal training operations. Even the >AHB >> guarantee is due to expire because the science behind it is so poor >that >> any lower court challenge would end it anyway.(IMHO) >> >> >I recall an earlier post in which he advises someone looking for >African >> >honeybee stock to breed in the US, that he contact some of the guys >behind >> >quarantine lines to get AHB breeding stock. >> >> I did that? It is my own opinion that since we have AHB we should >take our >> heads out of our sand boxes., It is time we got to know our bees >including >> the AHB personally and up close and work and use them, not as attack >dogs, >> but use some of their well known productive qualities to make >improvement >> to most any stock now in this country. We don't have to import them >via >> some government program as they are here now in abundance, nor do we >have >> to relied on the judgement of persons with nothing to gain or lose >in >> choosing the right stock for ourselves. Believe it or not many >beekeepers >> in the US are doing what I have suggested above and they do live >with fear, >> and that's not right. Man or beekeepers should have the right to use >what >> God has provided without fear of punishment or destruction from his >fellow >> man the bee cop with the badge and in some areas a gun dressed in >his green >> suit. >> >> Well for a fact if there are so called quarantine lines they have >not kept >> beekeepers from moving in and out of these areas such as bees from >Texas >> and other states known to have AHB, (now including California, an >infested >> state) and these same bees can be found in both the South, East, >West and >> North and have not caused any reported problems and have added to >the >> wealth of this county with honey production and pollination of many >> agricultural crops, then what good are quarantines other then to >provide >> employment to government people whom could be doing other more >productive >> things like checking meat for bad smells or bugs and chemicals. >> >> >I figured when no one blasted him for that (IMO irresponsible) >post, >> >that most everyone here on BEE-L had come to appreciate Andy for >his >> >forwarding of other peoples info, press releases, etc. but had >learned >> >to ignore much of what he personally had to say >> >> >(I was lucky to have been forewarned). >> >> You may have been the victim of some poor information but you make >it sound >> like there is a "Kill the OLd Drone Club".<G> But as long as you >read what >> I write I believe in time you may with real time beekeeping >experience have >> a somewhat more moderate opinion on ignoring what I and other >commercial >> beekeepers have to say and may even change your open personal >attacks on my >> own opinions and my posts made at great personal investment and >without >> expectations of rewards or even the recovery of out of pocket costs. >> >> I seldom blow my own horn like this but I take great pride in the >numbers >> of people who over the years have taken the time to come up to me >> personally, sometimes years later, and tell me how that at one time >they >> thought I had one wheel off the track but they have with experience >changed >> their own opinion's and think it is important enough to personally >tell me >> that I was on the right track all the time. This is the only real >reward I >> get for my personal public efforts and does make it worthwhile and >calms my >> own fears and cold chills I get when so many times I have stood up >alone >> before National and State Beekeeping groups, University Boards, the >> Legislature's, and the Court's, trying in my own way to protect >myself and >> my industry from those who would do us as individuals under by >telling it >> in my own way as I see it and it has worked well and I would be >happy to >> give you details but will not take the time now. I have always >included all >> beekeepers in my efforts and do not judge individuals by the number >of bees >> they have or the reason they have them or even what they post to >newsgroups >> or list mailers but I read them all as time permits and even the >personal >> Love Letters from other readers. >> >> IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone >