Dear Jon, and all, I also think that the hospital in question could really use to be raked over the coals in the press..kicking a mother out, etc. I don't know how it is in other places, but here in Vermont, there have been TONS of calls from FRANTIC mothers...discharged from hosp in the 12 hours....after 30 hour labors,....when their milk hits...they are PANIC city.... Is there something in the air, ...or why is there such a rash of bf problems over the holidays. Here is the CLINCHER: Mother calls me yesterday, needing a pump. She has 9 mo old, and is visiting from a different state. Says she got sick with a really high fever, 104, went to ER, ...was diagnosed with some "bug",...was told by ER doctor to QUIT bf cold turkey. "You wouldnt want to PUMP..you might make more milk!!!" Mother was out of it at that point...with fever, etc. She wakes up next day feeling slightly better, with cauliflower breasts. Calls for pump. Mother is on some unknown medication that she "cannot" breastfeed with. I , in my wisdom and naivete, ask if I could help her by looking the drug up, that there are few drugs you can't nurse with, blah blah blah... and she says..No, Thanks,...i just want the pump. I want to start getting a good night's sleep...so I am going just wean. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh !! OFF SOAPBOX. Kathleen ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen B. Bruce, BSN, IBCLC, LLL Leader Co-Owner Lactnet, LLLOL, Corgi-L E-mail lists LACTNET WWW site: http://www.mcs.com/~auerbach/lactation.html Remember: Jesus was a breastfeed ( on cue.) child.....!! Happy Holidays and Warm Wishes to you from the Bruces! -----------------------------------------------------------------