Denise, Does the baby look like she is tiring out? Could she have an undiagnosed heart problem? Your experiment with the bottle is very compelling, and I hope that the ped is able to hear that the baby requires *force feeding* either way; this should not be considered normal! -Lisa ************************************************* Lisa Marasco, BA, LLLL, IBCLC [log in to unmask] / [log in to unmask] *************************************************