I'm looking forward to the usenet newsgroup just for the reasons that some dislike. I want a group that is diluted. I don't care about marking bees or how to best kill them. I want to ask people if they have tried the new plastic extractors or what they use for the fuel in their smoker. This listserv seems a little too scientific for that and I've thought many times of unsubscribing, especially since there seems to be more traffic. This listserv will still exist for those that it serves well. The usenet group will serve a different group. -- Warner Granade *****[log in to unmask] 804-924-7409