>So it won't necessarily answer the wax moth question to just stick some wax moth larvae in a dish and cool them slowly. They may need to be on their own "turf". I agree wholeheartedly! Just as with pesticide testing, lab results on isolated bees may not necessarily extrapolate to bees on their "own turf." The data that Pete submitted on wax moth susceptibility to freezing appears to be contradicted by Tim's and Allen's observations. I also would like to see field data from temperature probes inserted into clusters of wax moth during the winter (probes inserted previously) to confirm the actual temperatures of the moth larvae in their cocoons, and then a confirmation that they were viable after being thawed. Such observations should then be published so as to set the record straight. -- Randy Oliver Grass Valley, CA www.ScientificBeekeeping.com *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html