>From my experience when a strong hive will not take feed and the feeder is crammed with dead bees you are looking at a high nosema ceranae infestation (confirmed by seeing high spore counts ) but spore counts due vary . Like with sticky boards. If the boards are covered with mites no need to count each mite. and again, why do you feel that you do not have issues with nosema any > more? treating deadouts & regular fumagilin treatments. low spore counts on random checks and the normal amount of dead bees in a inside feeder. Bees taking syrup down overnight. Are you treating prophylactically? Yes . My nosema issues are traced to California, my buying bees from other operations and combining with mine. on the lighter side: Please mention Bob Harrison when ordering. maybe I can get a price reduction the next time I order? Still spraying combs with > bleach? Yes. Why do you feel that nosema problems have not returned to your > operation? Not sure as the only thing different was the bleach spray on ALL deadouts, new comb and stopping the drench ( regular fumagilin treatments) I bought the hives of Bellhill honey last year and bees out of Texas. My bees were in *contact* with sick bees from Arkansas (which were fresh out of California almonds). Also Olivarez package bees from California. Preventing nosema is not possible today so controlling is the only solution in my opinion. There are still beekeepers which have never seen the advance stages of nosema. bees not able to take feed is not a *described* symptom of CCD. Severe nosema ceranae infestation is harder for me to detect in bee yards which do not use feeders in which the bees can drown. I have put a inside feeder in such hives to test and within 24 hours the feeder is plugged with bees . Medivet is well aware of the starving bees not able to take syrup from a feeder with severe nosema ceranae and came up with the drench. The reason for the drench added to the label. Personally I do not recommend the drench today. Fumagilin sales are at record levels I have been told. Dadant told me they had over 600 9.5 gram bottles in stock in Illinois last fall. bob *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm