>It is a non issue for California beekeepers. > > Although a few very vocal beekeepers are trying to make neonics a major > issue, I simply do not find widespread support for that point of view as I > visit beekeeper conventions across the country, and I go to over a dozen > each year. has always been the case when beekeepers can not test for a problem easily are recognise easily. tracheal mites nosema ceranae pesticide & fungicide kills I could add: levels of varroa infestation (I don't see varroa on my bees) Many beekeepers are accepting higher losses as the new normal. I even fight the concept myself by thinking losses in the low 20% is good. Only sideline & commercial usually look close at die offs. few hives (not even a statistic ) are tested by researchers. > that until and unless there is some concrete evidence gathered that shows > that the EPA was wrong in considering them to be "low risk" insecticides, > that protesting their registration is trying to make a case with scant > evidence. Protesting and raising concerns is OK but beekeepers have not the money to force changes even if concrete proof existed. "Living with varroa" was a popular theme when varroa arrived. "living with today's pesticides & fungicides" Is what beekeepers need to do. beekeeping as we know it today may be very different in 10-20 years. bob fast post as 3 am and need to get on road. *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm