Rachel writes: 'You can't force a child to be independent, you can only force him not to depend on you.' Further down the page is this Jewish proverb: 'Small children disturb your sleep, big children, your life.' ~~~ Brilliant! Thanks for sharing these quotes. I often have to laugh that now that my daughter is nearly 20, she is texting me daily, often late at night when we both have time to "chat" this way, right after I get in bed. I also have a rescued cat that, after 7 years, is still waking me up nearly every night. He now sits by my head and purrs, a new and lovely but sometimes annoying thing. If I hadn't had my son, now almost 25, who woke me up every 2 hours for nearly 4 years, this cat would have been put out by now ( I'm sure his personality and needs are the reason he was on the street to begin with!). Life is funny how one scenario can prepare us for another. And yes I sure do remember that period of crying when nothing I did seemed to help either one of us. Sigh. So glad I had LLL right in my neighborhood. Peace, Judy Judy LeVan Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL Brooklyn, NY, USA [log in to unmask] *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome