In a message dated 10/04/2010 23:29:26 GMT Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I have not seen any cedar frames marketed commercially in UK for at least thirty years, although I have seen cedar frame parts sold as 'seconds' up to about fifteen years ago. I think I do have some cedar frames tucked away in my garage. They are of the old split top bar type. I don't know how old they are but the stamp on the delivery note bore the King's head! Chris *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Access BEE-L directly at: http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-LSOFTDONATIONS.exe?A0=BEE-L