In a message dated 21/01/2008 20:51:19 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: It is characterized by, sudden colony death with a lack of adult bees in/in front of the dead-outs. Honey and bee bread are usually present and there is often evidence of recent brood rearing. In some cases, the queen and a small number of survivor bees may be present in the brood nest. It is also characterized by delayed robbing I saw exactly this several times in the early days of Varroa before I got into regular treatments, on one occasion 4 workers and the queen, with no robbing even though it was early-mid autumn and there were plenty of wasps about. Chris ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************