Oh my goodness, also showing my age (and limited alternatives)... YES we used the juice jar method and there are still women who are IBCLCs today who used it and were VERY GRATEFUL to be able to gently express enough milk with this method to soften the nipple/areola which led to a better infant grasp (and this was way back when we used to hold the babies "tummy up" and "tickle their cheeks" to turn to the breast...) Remember that at the time the only other pumps were the bulb-glass combinations (looked like a bicycle horn) and the Marmet method of hand expression had not yet been invented/published! IF I didn't have other alternatives - this is a method that worked and would certainly cause no harm (yes, you cooled the rim to prevent burning) and IT DID draw the milk our gently. Jeanette Panchula, BSW, RN, PHN, IBCLC California, USA - and looking forward to the 50th Anniversary Celebration of LLLI!!! *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html Mail all commands to [log in to unmask] To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or [log in to unmask]) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet or ([log in to unmask]) To reach list owners: [log in to unmask]