Jennifer says<<You are so right! I find it so disheartening to hear the constant "meet the mother where she is" argument,>> Jennifer, I am curious as to why you would argue against meeting the mother where she is in the breastfeeding experience? How do you expect to help her to hopefully have a successful breastfeeding experience if you do NOT meet her where she is at that particular point in time? How can you say that as an LC you are not protecting the mother and baby when you are assisting the mother to provide her baby with superior nutrition (not to mention a wonderful emotional experience? Meeting the mother where she is is about helping her, not covering up some perceived horrible error by the medical community.What happened to "do no harm" on your part? <<When I did hospital labor support, I found I had to be very conscious of my own tendency to watch the EFM,>> Your job as a doula is to support the mother and NOT watch any monitors at all. That is totally outside your scope of practice, nor is it appropriate for you to do so. Latching, hopefully, is a low tech skill, as you point out. Fetal monitoring and the interpretation of same, however, is not, whether it is continuous or intermittant. Necessary intervention can cause harm as well, but they are sometimes necessary. Take resuscitation for instance. If the baby isn't breasthing and has to have some bag/mask ventilation, it is better to do that and have a pink crying baby for Mom to nurse soon thereafter, then to not resuscitate adequately and then have that same baby have to be separated from Mom as she lies in an isolette full of oxygen. <<I know with all of my heart that everything matters--how we gestate matters, how we birth matters and how we nurture matters.>> Do you really think that medical people don't think that these things matter? Why do you think women are encouraged to make 12-15 prenatal visits for each pregnancy? We do twice weekly non-stress tests on higher risk women (gestational diabetics, those with an elevated AFP,those with twins, a history of previous stillbirth and a myriad of other reasons). Do you think women are encouraged to take classes (childbirth, breastfeeding, newborn care, prepared C/S) so that the medical community can undermine them? Come on. Give these people some credit. I daresay no one is discounting the importance of pregnancy and birth. <<I believe witnessing the mother's wounds as she reveals them is very much our responsibility>> I don't think anyone would disagree with you. I feel that you make the assumption that medical people are not addressing people's huts and issues. But at some point, we have to move on. We need to asknowledge these problems and then work around them and with them. That is our job. Do you think an infertility specialist doesn't acknowledge the clients past difficulties? <<In the long run, I think if we are committed to public health, we need to know what that really means. Artificial feeding is destructive, in any amount.>> We can be committed to public health but we also have to be realistic at the same time. There is always going to be artificial feeding (to use your specific example), Jennifer. That will always be a fact of life. It has always been such. We don't have to like it or agree with it, but we have to work with it. The only way we as LC's can "do no harm" is to educate, encourage people to make informed choices, and encourage as much breastfeeding as possible. I would rather help mothers feel good about what they do as opposed to feeing guilty about what they did not do. If a mother chooses to exclusively breastfeed for only 3 months (let's say) and then they combine breast and formula (in whatever amounts) for the next 9 months while she goes back to work, then let's applaud the fact that she is breastfeeding and support her in any way that she desires. I feel it is far better for her to feel proud about what she is giving her baby than to feel guilty because she is no longer exclusively breastfeeding. As I still maintain, any amount of breastmilk is better than none at all. I am just realistic enough to know that in our society as it is now, we are not going to have a lot of mothers who have the commitment to or the ability to provide exclusive breastmilk. Some of us are luckier than others. With my second, he was exclusively breastfed for 2 years and I had a wonderful daycare that used my milk and never overfed him. But I was also lucky enough to be able to work in the hospital, where I had access to the hospital grade breastpumps, my schedule was flexible and I was in (and am still in) a breastfeeding friendly environment. Just because I did that (and it as because I wanted to as well)I know that others cannot or arenot able to have the benefit I had. But I also know that my goals were not everyone's. If we do not take women where they are then we are, indeed, doing that harm that so many here keep mentioning. Are we actually doing harm if we do not support our breastfeeding mothers choices? *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. 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