As has been mentioned, it is hard to show this even with the best of dolls, videos etc. Until a mom actually has her baby in her arms, there is no method of demonstration that will fully show this. Here are a couple methods I have used to try to help moms understand what we are describing. "At first it may look like you are confused and are trying to put your nipple up the baby's nose instead of into its mouth!" This usually gets a laugh, but it does make the point that baby's lower jaw really needs to be further on the breast than she probably imagines. I also will use my fist to try to demonstrate. I extend the knuckle of my middle finger a little to represent the nipple, then demonstrate with my own mouth as the baby's. (Again, this may not be easy to understand with just a verbal "demonstration".) Winnie *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html