Jan wrote: << So it isn't *just* an empty stomach that signals hunger -- otherwise breastfed babies would never go beyond an hour and a half or whatever the length of time is for the milk to leave the stomach, and formula fed babies would never eat any more often than 3 or 4 hours or whatever time it takes for the formula to leave the stomach. >> Yes, and taking a look back at the Harry Harlow studies with an eye toward the feeding part instead of the nurturing part, or how they interact, I wonder if we can learn something. When babies are nursed, their needs for warmth, comfort, temp regulation assist, stress relief, breathing coordination, calming, hydration and food are all met ( when mom doesn't treat nursing like bottlfeeding with breasts.) So when babies are bottlefed by a person who has no body-mind experience of the myriad needs met by breastfeeding, many things become dissociated, as well as different than the norm achieved by nursing. Who knows if there may be extra calories needed to power such a being whose needs are met in a more dissociated way, or if calming and organizing aspects of sucking become overneeded when a bottle is used to meet needs... Just musing, Judy LeVan Fram, Brooklyn, USA PS. I called a colleague who works in the Flatbush area of Brooklyn to get her input on any babies here affected by the more-than-usually-deficient formula. Will let LN know if I hear anything. *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html