Hope no one minds my 2 cents...Coming from both "sides of the fence" in a number of circumstances...we do define our own successes. Nursed my first little one (now 29!) a grand total of 2 weeks with many challenges and without support; would probably not only call it today a failure but an abysmal failure of an overall trial of breastfeeding. The fact that I made it thru those two weeks was a success. The other four nursed from 9 mos to 2 1/2 years and those were fraught with challenges, yet I consider the experiences with them successes. As a CNM, I used to cringe at the words "failed VBAC", "failure to descend", "failure to progress", and humbly suggest an alternative. Often we are instructed to "call it as we see it" so rather than labeling something a success or failure, how about "unable to achieve latch related to ..." (fill in the blanks as needed with...ankyloglossia, etc.) or breastfeeding terminated (sure there might be a better word there) ? deferred? related to painful nipples, lack of support, medical indication (list it), or whatever is appropriate? If it helps, failed VBAC simply became "History of cesarean section" followed by "trial of labor" followed by "cesarean section or delivery". ~Linda Duce RN CNM Austin, TX *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html